What a Tuel

Rumors of him not meshing well with coaching staff. They even benched him during the year. I think it is a smart move by both sides. The Browns master plan though? Execution, execution, execution. I'll wait and see.

What are the odds that we go WR in the 1st? I mean is there a bigger need especially now that Woods is going to LA?

Thats revising history. We have the unique perspective of Hogan playing under Taylor in which he put up Goodwin like stats. I do not want Hogan as our #2 WR and if not signing him last year, ensures that we aren't stuck with him as our #2 this year, then I wouldn't call it a blunder. Paying $4 million a year for Hogan is on the high end for a player of his caliber. It is a blunder that Whaley didn't go out and sign a player of his caliber not named Percy Harvin though. I surely hope Whaley goes out and drafts us a legit number 2. As for Gillislee, I like the guy, but there is no reason Jonathan Williams can't fill his role if he gets a better offer. We don't need to splurge to keep a 2nd string RB. They have a habit of popping up frequently.

He confronted him on twitter: Jay Skurski: "You are literally the only one interpreting it that way. The point is they have very little money to fill out their roster."

That is far different than "Hogan tearing it up in New England". He did not tear it up. Would he have been useful here rather than Harvin? Sure.

Can we stop saying Hogan tore it up in New England? With a future HOF 5 time super bowl champion QB, Hogan got 250 more yards, 1 touchdown, and 9 more catches than Goodwin all year. Like wtf is with this hardon for Hogan.

"Oh good golly, he must be the second coming of Brady! Let me fool Belichick by giving him a 1st round pick for stealing Garofalo away from him!" Browns probably.

Hasn't Denver said they aren't interested in Romo? I mean I heard this weeks ago, but have they expressed interest at all?

I could see that too. Now that Ryan is gone, Thursday Night against the Jets may not be their idea of prime time material.

I don't understand why people don't understand this. Carpenter is an experienced veteran who has kicked almost 10 years. Why do we think Carpenter would a) think he needs someone like Christie's help, and b) what would Carpenter believe Christie would tell him that he doesn't already know. On top of all that, we assume Whaley is a roster nazi or something solely because we don't know the full story. Its confirmation bias at its best - "I never liked that Whaley guy, so he must've been like Christie, we can handle our own business."

Haha, so many people quoting you, I must have gotten mixed up. My bad! Hopefully you won't fulfill my prediction though! I have a bias against his constant crusade against Shady? Yes. I don't hold it against him, all in good fun and discussion.

Badol? No, next year he will take this speculation as confirmation of his suspicions that Shady was cut worthy when he said he would be.

An offer wasn't made though right? You should edit the title to "if the pats offered"

Do no wrong? The FO can certainly do wrong. We don't even know why, when, or how Whaley rejected Christie though, and it is well within Whaley's job description to make such a decision. Like others have said, "who knows, maybe Whaley asked Carpenter and Carpenter said "shove it"" Obviously I can't prove it, but I certainly believe had the reverse scenario occurred, there would be a number of media articles saying Whaley was "grasping for help at the struggling kicking position", and throwing in some insult like "Whaley looks lost with the roster at times" with the Buffalo News. And then posters (maybe not you) would be on Whaley's case about how he is lost in his job. The media agenda against Whaley is pretty clear. If they cared at all about the facts of the story rather than taking shots at Whaley, they would determine the "why, when, and how" before publishing a story that Whaley "spurned Christie". The point is that no one knows if Whaley talked with Carpenter, and Carpenter said "forget that, I know how to do my job" or that Whaley was already going to cut him and shouldn't let Christie dictate roster decisions.

You guys would spin it either way. "Whaley cuts Carpenter despite Christie offering to perfect his kicking. Whaley says get lost Christie" "Whaley decides to keep the unpopular and inconsistent Carpenter, because a former Bills player Christie who kicked 15 years ago believes he can help him. #dysfunction #whaleyisgrasping"

Whaley planned on cutting Carpenter. Christie never says when he tried to offer to help him, and argues part of his reasoning is that he knows how it feels to be cut and it is hard. Also I wish you guys would pay as close attention to words other people use as you do Whaley's wording. "For the record, I did offer to help him, but was told by the GM that he wouldn't be receptive to outsiders" Steve Christie Patrick Moran‏ @PatMoranTweets 2h2 hours ago Steve Christie told me he didn't know who specifically considered him an "outsider" but reiterated he was "definitely turned away" by the GM

When your boss is going to fire you, he might have a problem with a former employee trying to override him because said former employee thinks you can be a pet project and be improved. ​If Lorenzo Alexander was just pure dumb luck and had nothing to do with evaluating talent then EJ Manuel was just a fluke or pure dumb bad luck. Bad analogy I know, but to chalk things like that up to "dumb luck" is dumb. Whaley has always shown a higher aptitude in evaluating LB/CB/DB talent.

Ok then EJ Manuel was dumb bad luck.

So you think Whaley should be making personnel decisions based on the whims of former players?

There's a point in which you honor your former players, and there's a point in which you let them interfere with team operations because they are who they are. In my opinion, it is not appropriate and rarely works out. That is what the coaches they hire are for. If they want to hire Christie as a kicking coach and he's qualified to do it then sure, but that determination is up to Whaley, not sympathetic fans who will turn on Christie the second Carpenter misses another extra point.

No. No you don't.

What story? I don't want my GM making team decisions based on the opinions of former players. I don't want Jim Kelly deciding whether we should keep any specific QB. The story is that the Bills planned to cut Carpenter, and Christie offered to assist. They said no thanks. The end.

There is a concerted belief by a few members of this board that the Bills won't be good until they gut the whole organization and start from scratch. I don't subscribe to that theory, but you will often see them crusading this point on every decision or action made by the organization.

Precisely this. LaCanfora just said Tyrod is leaving or staying and it was because of the GM's or Coachs decision. Covered all bases there didn't ya LaCanfora?

Seriously. Chasm? Based on speculation from last year? With a different coach? And people wonder why Pegula had distaste for the media. I can't count the number of articles I have seen with headlines reading that we are parting ways or not parting ways with Tyrod with no new information. If they will do that for clicks, why would they not do that for chasms? Just talking to talk.