What a Tuel

You have no idea if the Jaguars lose today.

I do too. Way too many calls go their way. Rules changes just for them. It seems some owners are fed up with it which is why Goodell has been after them.

If the Steelers or Pats drop a game, aren't the Jags still in the running for the playoff bye week in week 17?

Down 7-10 at the start of the second half in a perfectly winnable game, Tyrod Taylor has 4 consecutive drives totaling 41 yards total. (3 Drives totaled 9 yards. 4th drive drive we fumbled) That was the difference that game. The Jets drove down the field. We went 3 and out. Yeah, I was going for more of a pre-benching argument, but you are right. Tyrod needs to step up in those games or he absolutely deserves benching.

Peterman gave us just as much chance to win the Chargers game as Tyrod gave us to win the Saints or Jets, and that was no chance. Tyrod Taylor was awful in the jets game until the last 5 minutes when it dawned on him we were getting annihilated and he started actually throwing the ball.

Tyrod was on a slide. He isn't the answer and we needed to know what we had in Peterman. Probably not the most opportune time to start Peterman, but that was because of the opponent, not because it didn't need to be done. Tyrod was just as awful as Peterman, in both the Jets, and Saints games.

Yeah assuming we lose it doesn't, but if we win, it should almost certainly be win and we are in Week 17. That opposed to losing tomorrow and come week 17 going "if the Jaguars beat the Titans, the Chargers lose to Raiders, and the Ravens lose to Bengals" we are in! On another note, if we are so certain the Titans are going to lose, I think we can root for the Chiefs to lose out against the Dolphins and Broncos and still get in. Unlikely, but still another chance.

I saw this topic, and thought why would they bench Rivers?!? That's awesome....then realized we are still agonizing over this stupid game. The way the team played, Tyrod was not winning it either. Get over it.

Even the Colts competed with the Ravens which no one thought was possible. Gotta have hope something will fall our way.

I'd say they are just a defeatist. As for your link, I know the scenarios, i was just pointing out that the article was so quick to kick us out of the 6th seed after week 16 even with a patriots win. The titans are in that situation not us. Of course week 17 changes everything but the article literally said "even with a bills win against the patriots, the bills are out "

Yes but the article seems to be referring to solely week 16. In the end of week 16 if all 3 teams win, titans would be odd man out. Baltimore would take 5th seed from titans and bills would retain 6th seed not lose it.

Bills get in at 8-8 if: Titans lose 2 (Everyone thinks this will happen) Chargers lose 1 (Everyone thinks this is somewhat possible bordering on unlikely) Ravens lose 2 (No one thinks this will happen) Edit: plus Dolphins lose to the Chiefs Even if the Chargers win one, the Bills get in on the 4 way 8-8 tie across 2 wildcards. http://espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/machine/_/factor/wins/results/400951748~1~400951739~2~400951791~2~400951596~2~400951642~2

Not true. The Titans would be the odd man out even if the Titans won against the Rams.

Its semantics. The titans have little hope to win their division. If the Titans winning their division were the condition needed for the Bills to make the playoffs, you would see a lot of talk of how we have no chance, and we aren't "mathematically" eliminated but we are definitely done. Yes, technically we don't control our own destiny.

We control our own destiny if any of the Jaguars win, Titans lose, Ravens lose. Pretty much the Titans have to win their division, which pits the Jaguars against us for the wildcard, and they kill us in tie breakers. Its an unlikely scenario.

That's tough. Is Rodgers the type to play til he's 40? He's 34 now, and plenty of QBs have been retiring earlier. We'd be giving up a potential rookie QB who might be the next Aaron Rodgers for 4-5 years of QB greatness at a high contract price. If we think we could build the team to win in those 4-5 years under those conditions then I'd say definitely. Give me a break. That's quite a boastful claim that we can argue all day long but let's just come back in 3 years and see how its going.

Garoppolo was literally traded for a 2nd round pick 2 months ago. Russel Wilson was drafted. 49ers weren't winless, but that's splitting hairs. So you are basing his increased value over 3 games against the Bears, Texans, and Titans? I'm not saying he can't be what you say, I'm saying its unlikely, and you may want to slow your roll on that until you have more evidence or consistent play. I mean your argument consists of "He played well last year for 2 games", and then the Patriots let him go for a 2nd round pick because why? No one bought that he was good? Then he plays "ok" (let's not kid ourselves on his play) on a bad team against bad teams, and his value jumps from a 2nd round pick to more than 2 1st rounders? That would be a huge gamble and baffling move by any team that should have been looking when the Patriots were offering him for a 2nd rounder. Again that is assuming that Garoppolo is what you say. Edit: Let me just add that I understand the 49ers won't let him go for any price right now. That has more to do with ego, and believing they are right on him than reality at this point though.

Welp so long as we are writing off wins. The Patriots have only beaten the Saints, Falcons and cheated the Steelers or the Texans (can't have both). Otherwise they lost to the Chiefs, Panthers, Dolphins. And beat several "undeserved" teams such as the 4-10 Bucs, 5-9 Jets, 7-7 Chargers, 5-9 Broncos, 6-8 Raiders, 6-8 Dolphins. TLDR: The Patriots only really beat two good teams all year.

Good. I saw how hyped the Bills were against the Falcons. They thrive on being the underdog. No one thinks they will even compete Sunday. I hope this is under their skin right now.

How is there 0% chance Garoppalo is available for 2 1st rounders? I mean yeah, he was traded to the 49ers, and the 49ers won't give him up after doing that, but he went for a 2nd round pick, and now he is suddenly worth 2 1st rounders?

Garoppolo has thrown 200 passes in the NFL. He has not proven he is a franchise QB. Heck Winston, Carr, Mariota, Trubisky, Prescott, Goff, etc have not even proven they are franchise QBs. Compound that with "the best coach in NFL history" giving up what would be a perfect set up for the future of the Patriots, the contract the unproven Garoppolo will want since his rookie year is over, and you have the perfect storm for failure. We have a better chance drafting a QB in a supposedly weak draft class which I have heard every year since the legit bad QB class of 2013. 2014 Carr, Jimmy "Franchise QB bc he was on the Pats" Garoppolo, Bortles. 2015 Winston, Mariota 2016 Goff, Wentz, Prescott 2017 Trubisky, Mahomes, Watson For the love of all that is holy, let us draft a god forsaken QB of our own, and not pay through the nose for someone another team two teams don't think was worth keeping. And yes, we will pay for getting one. We will pay a lot. We won't care in 2 years when that price is paid.

God no. We will see the flaws of Garoppalo when the clouds of "at least they aren't going 1-15" clear.

Let's just settle the Rams vs the Bills discussion in the Super Bowl.

.....how? Ugh. He better come out gunning it like he did against the Fins in the first half. We won't win with him scrambling for 3 yard gains on 3rd and 12.

Nicely laid out! I still say win and we are in. No way the Jaguars drop the 49ers and Titans!