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another thought on Bill's point on Manuel. I thought it was a good sign that when spiller was injured it was Manuel and I think Woods who were there with him. Doesn't make him a better player but I think that helps with leadership.

So I was at today's game against the Vikings. This was my first game since 07 and I believe only my third since moving away from upstate NY in 1999. We moved back now and I got a chance to go to the game with two of the guys I saw the 1993 Houston comeback game with. I was shocked by some of the changes The good 1. The stadium is much nicer looking then I remember it compares fairly well to more modern stadiums. 2. The new scoreboards actually do add a lot to the game giving you extra stats and replays that I have been accustomed to watching on TV. 3. Getting out of the lots wasn't bad at all we were on 219 in under 30 minutes. Maybe we got lucky but it feels like the lots were emptying better. The bad 1. Had the serial drunk fights two rows in front of me. Two guys get tossed (one arrested) and five minutes later two more guys from the same groups (and one woman) start it up again resulting in two more ejections. . .though two of the guys came back so not sure what happened. 2. It seems like fans just didn't know how/when to cheer. Almost no one around me including folks in full bills gear were making noise on defence ..including 3rd downs and several folks were cheering/making a ton of noise while the Bills were on offense (pre snap) including on the game winning drive. We were in the lower bowl near the corner of the end zone Watkins made the final grab in row 26 and several people around me were making a ton of noise every time were in our end zone. With a rookie QB in a tight game against t a nasty pash rush noise could have been a huge factor The last point really got me. Admittedly it was a different era when I was going to games but the fans understood how we could contribute to the game or at least how not to make it harder on our offense. It really seemed like folks didn't get it at all. It used to be that we were a savvy fan base I didn't see that today at all.

I am there as well the last time I was there was when we lost to the Giants before one of their Super Bowl wins. Must have been 06/07

Agreed.

Yes. If you had a flu that lasted two days it wasn't influenza it was another virus. Real flu knocks you out for about a week. There is lots of good quality research out there but here's a a sample for the young and healthies in this thread http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199510053331401

Scribe home from the game with a Minnesota fan in the car with three Bills fan. Try not to have the silence be too deafening.

Wow Nigel Bradham!

Agreed I also think it suggests a couple other points relevant to the Bills 1. A run based offense can work in today's NFL - same with Seahawks as well. 2. A good but not top 3-5 QB with the right supporting cast can make it work (at least in the regular season.). People have been saying for years they should get rid of Romo the "choke artist". He isn't a hall of famed but stability at QB allows them to spend picks elsewhere. You don't need greatness you just need good. 3. A drive sustaining offense high first down yards gained and high third down percent makes a bad defense look much better. 4. Stability despite mediocrity might payoff Again depends on how the year turns out but they seem to be headed in the right direction.

Yes. What a bum.

Bingo

Agreed

On to the Vikings. Last week this board was convinced the Bills were elite and this week it's convinced we stink. How about we are somewhere in the middle and that may be enough for the playoffs this year.

That question occurred to me. Given the rep Suh had in Detroit I wondered a bit if there is a coaching issue but I certainly hope not.

Agreed it wasn't a talent difference it was a mental mistake difference. Pats are still the class of the AFC East but I don't think we have to get lucky to beat them we have to play mistake free football to beat them.

I think you just gave me post traumatic stress disorder. Ugh.

Thank your Raplh!

Marv Levy used to say you are never as good as they say you are and you are never as bad as they say you are. The pats aren't dead and we aren't world beaters. . .yet. The pats have gone with a different offensive plan week to week for years don't presume anything.

And if you were someone deriding Wilson for being cheap think really carefully about the provisions he chose to put into the trust and his will. Folks should be ashamed.

Agreed

That's where I am as well. But if the D plays lights out then bets are off and we can get the W.

Agreed. It's interesting I saw him in camp and he was head and shoulders ahead of the other DBs in terms of motivation and physical attributes. Really stuck out to me that he had all the right non skill related stuff.

There is a really good indie movie on on demand/ netflix called "The Lunchbox" in which the tiffin industry features centrally. Wife and enjoyed it a month or two back.

This absolutely this. We went through three QBs last season. With the way our line has been playing we might need three to get through Sunday against he Lions.

Yep not to mention he was getting killed on immediate pass rushers in his face the last two weeks. How do you kill a young qb's confidence get him hit _16_ times in additon to two sacks on roughly 46 drop backs against the best defensive line man in the league. Not excusing his poor play by any means. But the last two weeks would give most young qb's the yips.

EJ ranks higher than Brady this season http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/passing/sort/quarterbackRating