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Great post. Fitz ain't great but folks don't seem to be able to put him in context of other QBs in the league. Minnesotta and Sanf Fran are in the hunt right now with QBs as bad or worse than Fitz.

Agree this team has talent but isn't playing up to it. Someone has to step up and one of the senior players is exactly who should do it.

You are right. I didn't believe the best in the league talk but no way did any of us think we were going to be this bad on defense. Of course bottom of the league last year historically bad this year . . . Folks just habent gotten past the preseason hype to realize how incredibly bad the D is.

Seriously Cam Newton? http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/don_banks/10/09/cam-newton/index.html I know we have heard of him and all. . . But is he headed on the trajectory you want your QB of the future to be on?

Defensive coordinator D line play Linebackers Gailey getting too cute Fitz Fix the first three and we are 4-3 or 5-2 fix the rest well we are a different team entirely

Maybe that's the reason he is struggling but passion?!? Hav e you watched the coverage of him this year? He is booming the poster boy for lack of passion for the game. http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/20442870/newton-certainly-has-his-critics-but-its-way-too-early-for-cutler-treatment Don't just read his quotes watch his press conference he really isn't coming across as a guy taking responsibility

I am more curious about Dareus as his target in terms of finger pointing. I am glad he stood up and said something. Choice and Kelsay as our teams leaders? Who would have thought it.

No he may be headed down the bust road based on his performance this year. That's a "may" but if you have been paying attention to how he has performed this year it's a far cry from last year. If Carolina is ready to trade him this year you can be sure he has continued to stink it up the rest of this season.

Looks heavier to me today.

Agree. Fitz ain't great but the D should have closed this game out.

This. Not excusing the INT by any means but you put up 34 points its not the offenses fault you lost. That and the decision not to go for two.

Tip of the hat to a truly great fan.

Well it was a bit tongue in cheek but if you are of the mind "Fitz and the O sucks and it's keeping the d on the field too much" then losing the guy Spiller was running for his most yards behind may be a key part of the total team decline. Particularly as the timing of his injury matches the decline very closely. We had a pretty reliable run game pre Glenn injury. That being said I think the problem with the team is really the D and i was half joking tying it to losing Glenn.

Took my one and three year old one carnival cruise line trip along with extended family for my parents wedding anniversary. For us the experience wasn't worth it with those little ones. It was close but my one year olds nap schedule meant we were back in the room a lot and everyone was hitting the sack at 8pm to allow the kids to sleep.

The wheels came off on this team when Glenn went down. . . Might be coincidence but could be a sign he is more important than folks give credit for.

It's a win. Enjoy it for 24 hours

Or is it the line now down to five healthy players coming into this game that has been missing their best player (Glenn) the last 1.5 games when the team has gone down the tube.

Great post OP. There are a very small number of players the Bills had a real shot at that panned out. For every revounding in a new location Kurt Warner or Drew Brees there is a Vince Young or Daunte Culpepper or Donovan Mcnabb who could have resurrected his career in a new situation but turned out to be as useless as the rest of the league thought. Nobody is happy about the Bills success at finding the next QB but it's not fair to say they haven't been investing in it.

Great post hopeful.

My dad and friends were drinking a beer per score for that Raiders game. We could just do it when the opposing team scores

Well he is an interior lineman they usually aren't skinny. But agree the team has done much worse with injuries since losing Rusty Jones. Personally I think the wheels came off this year when Cordy Glenn went down. Team hasn't been the same since.

50-50 is "winnable". . . I think the Jets aren't going to be as good of a team in week 17 as they were in week 1 if for no other reason than they have lost their best player already. Arizona's D is pretty darn good but their offense might keep the Bills in the game. Indy and Tenessee I think aren't a given.

You might be surprised

And what do you think the new owner is going to think when he sees the Bills have been making less money than any other team when he takes over? I don't think he's going to say 'lets invest extra cash out of my pocket to make this team better' He is far more likely to say 'the fans aren't supporting this team, the area is economically depressed, lets move it down the street.' Having lived in Baltimore the last thirteen years and spent plenty of time with folks scarred by the Colts move, and seeing the other side of the browns to Baltimore move - you don't really want to be the franchise that can't make money. On the other hand despite having widely reviled ownership and in the past lots of fans saying the owner must go before the team succeeds the Orioles are in the playoffs this year. They got the right manager and some of the right players. Would I (or any of us on this board) want the Bills to be better - heck yes. Do I think staying away from supporting the team (financially) is the way to get them to win games - heck no. This isn't a toddler who needs to be taught a lesson by us saying 'if you don't win, we're not going to give you any candy($)". It's a business that knows a Bills Super Bowl ring would mean increasing endorsements, sales of tickets and other parephernalia etc. Getting there on the other hand isn't a given. You can argue about who they've chosen to invest in, in the last year but contracts for Williams, Anderson, Johnson, Jackson and Fitzpatrick aren't exactly being too cheap.

The Oreo was a fake picture of a cookie posted on the companies Facebook page. The chick fil A issue involves donations of large amounts of money to a highly controversial organization. If a US corporation was donating to a radical islamic organization I think that would get far more press, and really in many ways that would be a more analagous situation. Controversial minority religious beliefs with a real fear by some americans (rightly or wrongly) about risks of violence. While I agree issues go both ways I don't think these two are remotely comparable.