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Honest question: Is it possible for you to speak without being a complete piece of ****? And, no, that's a gross mischaracterization of my position. First, there is no evidence of corruption or malfeasance by President Trump despite a year long probe into his presidency, his campaign, and his prior life outside of politics. Robert Mueller has admitted this. Second, my contention is that once we have gone through a massive cleansing process of removing criminal bad actors from our system, both inside our government and out, including foreign actors, directed by the President, and it is unquestionably revealed that he prevented a coup, and the true end of our republic, I think that history will have no choice but to view him as a great man. You don't have to believe me, Gary. The world will teach you as it turns.
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I should have been more clear. My question was intended to be thought provoking, as opposed to demanding an answer. In my mind, the way to differentiate is to ferret out and prosecute malfeasance; and we can't do that by playing "team sports" or looking at legislative achievements that we find positive or admirable in our world views. We must accept the fact that individuals who legislate as political allies to our various moral philosophies and preferred politics, even those who we agree with 100% of the time, may well be corrupt, and need to be removed from office (or even prosecuted and jailed or worse). This cannot be a political action.
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OK, how would you differentiate?
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Would you agree, even if you don't agree that President Trump is the best man for the job (you may think he's the worst man for the job, and that's OK), that Washington DC is one of the most corrupt cities on Earth, and that nearly all major office holders in the Federal government are either directly corrupt themselves, or swim in the current of corruption "as a go along to get along", and that there is a "swamp to be drained"?
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These are large companies with direct ties to the government or to power players within the government. Many have been "scandaled out" because they opted not to quietly resign. Again, I'm not asking you to believe me. Time will tell if I am right, or not.
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Here's an updated list of noteworthy CEO resignations: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1B-95giwldeKgsd0nYiw_sEaSf4kGNLZgEIvEhL2mVAw/edit#gid=0 I'll see what I can do about the Senatorial and Congressional stuff at some point today.
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Not at all. Ryan is dirty. He's caught up in several arms of the Clinton Foundation scandal currently being investigated. When I say "not at all" I don't mean to imply that the evidence is available for public consumption, and in that way it's exactly like the "collusion" bit. However, unlike the collusion canard, with Ryan there is a "there" there. Also, please understand that I'm not asking you to believe me, as I've presented no evidence. I'm simply offering my opinion which I have based on other circumstantial happenings.
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The stuff Greg has been documenting for over a year now is very wide spread across both major parties, and in the private sector. You're witnessing an unprecedented level of resignations, retirements, and decisions not to run for re-election. It's all tied to corruption, and it's being exposed. Democrats will bear the brunt, as they were the ones caught with their hand in the cookie jar, so to speak, but it's all one big club.
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Corruption. The same as most DC power players.
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What is coming down the pipe cuts across both major parties. Paul Ryan is a swamp creature. He's leaving because he's dirty.
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Grant doesn't care to summarize your position. Grant is a Marxist agitator and Alinskyite who refuses to engage in honest debate. Rather than do so he makes personal attacks, and constructs strawmen to attack. He insists others answer his questions, but refuses to respond to questions asked of him. He goes so far as to attempt to associate those he disagrees with, with pedophiles in place of making an argument. Recently he has called conservative/Republicans "abject evil". He tells people that it's not important for them to understand the issues, but it is important for them to be passionate about them, and tells them to outsource their critical thinking surrounding those issues to groups he has aligned himself with. To be more emotional, less interested in learning and understanding of the events which dictate your lives. To trust him while he advocates policies which strip away the protections of the most basic human rights, advocating for knife control, much less gun control, limits to your speech and religious rights; all while laughing away the beginnings of a genocide happening today in a Western nation. But you should trust him, and people like him. Blindly. Unthinking. But be passionate about it. Because the other guys are abject evil. And now he's trying to tell you that the FBI, currently under investigation for wide ranging criminality rising to the level of treason, seizing all of the communications between the sitting President and his lawyer isn't problematic because his lawyer's (reported) nebulous involvement with taxi medallions somehow create a magical criminal conspiracy between Trump and Cohen, and the FBI, hostile towards the president to a criminal degree and rife with leaks, is proper in making an end run around all the protections afforded to citizens by our system of jurisprudence. Again, Grant does not believe in rights or the foundational principals of our country, and he has demonstrated for us another vital tradition of our system of justice: the right to representation in defense. Note how he savages Alan Dershowitz for having the audacity to defend a man who, regardless of guilt or innocence, had evidence planted for use against him (a common practice with the LAPD at the time) by the police. Think about that: even lawyers who stand for the accused against the weight of government are bad people who should not be listened to, because they stand for the accused against the government. Beliefs like this are not hallmarks of a good person. They are representative of a would-if-only-he-could-be despot who worships at the alter of government, and wants you to be emotional and ignorant towards those ends. Don't indulge him. Become your own expert. Make up your own mind. Live free.
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The Deep State War Heats Up :ph34r:
TakeYouToTasker replied to Deranged Rhino's topic in Politics, Polls, and Pundits
Are you talking about the Free Syrian Army involvement in propaganda designed to topple Assad, and McCain's direct involvement with them? -
The Deep State War Heats Up :ph34r:
TakeYouToTasker replied to Deranged Rhino's topic in Politics, Polls, and Pundits
I'm curious as to why there's a chemical weapons attack in Syria after every time John McCain travels there and meets with Mouaz Moustaffa. -
Those materials have already been in the hands of bad actors for hours, and the FBI has already demonstrated that it does not feel it needs to comply with the law. Even if ordered to turn over all materials, they would not do so, or at least would not do so in a timely manner. All material will be copied for the purpose of being disseminated via leaks.
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In light of the incredible amount of criminality and malfeasance undertaken to weaponize the US intelligence apparatus against the President in the run up to the election, something which has already been demonstrated, this development is an absolutely horrifying continuation of that trend. This is not politics as usual. This is the weaponization of the government against individuals who have set themselves, through legal processes, to rein that government in. This is the throwing away of all pretexts of a free society and the rule of law.
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Again, this raid wasn't part of the Trump/Russia investigation. It wasn't even related to Trump himself, as Mueller found it to be outside the scope of his investigation. Also, admissible evidence applies to situations in which a lawyer conspires with his client to commit a crime. (using the term "conspire" colloquially, not legally speaking) What was achieved was to provide the FBI with decades worth of legal documents surrounding conversations between Cohen and the President, otherwise protected by attorney-client privilege. These documents are now in the hands of those being investigated for widespread criminal malfeasance rising to the level of actual treason. This is incredibly problematic. It absolutely did happen. You can deny it if you'd like, but that just makes you wrong.
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Again, I ask you, is it problematic that the FBI has performed an end run around attorney-client privilege, a necessary hallmark of our entire system of jurisprudence, in order to gain access to information about a person investigating/prosecuting wide spread malfeasance and corruption in that agency? Is this something the intelligence apparatus of a free country should be doing? This answer is why there will be an actual shooting war in this country. You are, quite literally, dismissing people posing legitimate concerns about the intelligence apparatus/legal system of our nation launching end runs around the basic legal protections that the entire notion of a free country rests upon as cry babies. This cannot stand, Gary. This is not clever. This is the collapse of our system. This is where desperation sets in.
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Because that's the outcome. The FBI now has in it's possession all legal documents related to Donald Trump that had been in Michael Cohen's possession. Documents that they, without this raid, never would have been able to access, because they were protected by attorney-client privilege. Much like the string of FISA abuses, centered around Carter Page, which were necessary for the agency to illegally surveil the President; the FBI has done it again.
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No, Cohen's lawyer said that Cohen wasn't acting in the capacity of lawyer to Donald Trump as relates to the Stormy Daniels NDA, and was instead acting as a consulting representative of Essential Consultants LLC, which is the body which made the payments to Ms. Daniels. Cohen is President Trump's long time attorney, however, as we all know; and this is a grotesque example of an agency whose heads and body are currently under investigation doing an end run around the protections our legal system affords the accused in order to gain leverage over a sitting President. This should be viewed as wildly problematic to anyone interested in the basic concept of justice and a free society.
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The raid is tied to suspected criminality unrelated to the Trump/Russia probe. Do you find to be at all problematic that the FBI has performed an end run around attorney-client privilege, a necessary hallmark of our entire system of jurisprudence, in order to gain access to information about a person investigating/prosecuting wide spread malfeasance and corruption in that agency?