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No. The AP DROY award is the NFL's official award. Kiko was the runner up.

That's a stretch. If the Bills went 6-10, I think he would've stayed (or been fired). Hell, had the Pegulas given him what he wanted, he definitely would've stayed. In that context, I care very much about Marrone's motivation as he sacrificed potential long term stability for (his) short term goal, which was to get out of Dodge as soon as possible. The man could care less about developing the young talent in favor of a few extra wins. How is this any different from the Watkins trade? Sacrificing the future for a short term goal of winning more games? I think it's clear that the FO and coaching staff were going "all in," on the season. Fact of the matter is that sacrificing wins for possible development went out the window the second the team got sold. Whaley and Marrone no longer had the luxury of a grace period with the new owners. They needed results as soon as possible. It painted many of the personnel decisions along the way. Let's go through a hypothetical. EJ plays worse than Kyle Orton the entire season. Bills go 7-9 or 6-10, staff fired. Good for the long term stability of the franchise? Sure, maybe EJ was just waiting to blossom from the <200 YPG QB that he was in the beginning of the season, but I doubt it. At this juncture, the HC's job is to win the most games possible. Which meant playing Orton.

How? Who cares what Marrone's motivation was if it helped us win more games? What's the end-game difference? If you think we win more games with EJ under center, that's fine. I just think you're wrong, and thus any of Marrone's ulterior motives in 2014 are irrelevant as long as the motive coincides with winning more games. It was pretty much consensus that Marrone's job for 2015 was in serious jeopardy without a winning season. What purpose does it serve to question his motivation to win more games?

You seem to be wavering between two topics. 1. EJ should've never been benched, and he was so Marrone could throw him under the bus. No. Orton was better, and EJ had lost his confidence and the locker room. 2. EJ should've played in the NE game. No, for reasons iterated above. Neither of your assertions make sense.

So you think EJ is a better QB than Orton? I have a few pages of ESPN stats that kinda refute that. Also "At the beginning of the Pats game."

No. We wouldn't. One game, with 1/2 against backups is gonna be a better gauge on a QB? Even if EJ completes 100% of his passes, 4 TD's and a perfect passer rating, we'd still have mysteries. However, even more likely, he'd play "just okay" or badly. Both of which indicate, again, nothing. But if he played poorly, his confidence would've been shot even more than it already is. We saw what happened with Trent when he lost his confidence. No thank you. Spin this into a "Marrone was out for himself" argument. You'll never convince me that this game would be good for anyone if we lost. Or would be good if EJ went out there and sucked. He's not getting cut. He's gonna compete next year. Nothing is changing that.

I don't believe they are admissible.

That's ridiculous. That's ridiculous and wouldn't work. That's ridiculous and would never work.

EJ playing would've changed virtually nothing.

Those guys were all less than barely first rounders Kirby. Figure it out.

Let's see the "I would prefer Beckham and Hill" posts. I'd love to see them.

Speculation or did Whaley tell you at the Backer's Bar then make you a swear a blood oath?

Even worse, they could've traded back, gotten ODB, drafted Carr AND Bridgewater, threw in Kelvin Benajmin, nagged Jeremy Hill, picked that 3rd round stud guard, and gotten Seantrel in the 7th. That's what a good front office would've done.

Worst in history? He got us our best record in a decade.

Why didn't anyone take Beckham earlier? All horrific front offices? If the basis of a "good FO" is taking multiple ROY candidates, you'll never be happy.

Yes.

"I doubt something that I've never seen."

Numbers said that RG3 was a better QB than Luck. You watch 3 games of Carr's and now you're an expert? What if I just watched the Tampa game, Steelers game, and Houston game of EJ's? Would you accept that I know how good or bad he is?

Besides Wilson and Luck, who came into the league as good QB's, everyone on your development QB wish list sucked. Why can't we get the guys responsible for RG3, Kaep, and Geno Smith's horrendous seasons?

Gay lovers as a punch line. Perhaps you're overcompensating.

Did he get smacked down earlier in the year Pre-Beckum about this trade?

Our FO needs to see the future.

The old FO would've stayed pat and taken Ebron. I'll take the Watkins trade over that.

Dixon played a lot of special teams, and I don't think Brown did. The biggest fault of this coaching staff at RB was believing in CJ Spiller.

I was talking to the other guy who said "has no basis in fact." I just assumed he's looking purely at their stats on ESPN.