FireChan

Not this again..

Irony. Wins are a team stat. QB ain't the problem tenth in points.

Yeah, you enjoy watching other teams in the playoffs? The losing seasons year after year? I enjoy the games on their own merit. But lacking success ain't as fun as winning.

The Bills torture us all.

Because they are fans?

What was 2016 and 2014 considered?

Should we be rooting against him?

Between Ducasse and Davis, I don't think we're getting that 3rd rounder, bud. https://overthecap.com/compensatory-draft-picks-cancellation-chart/ Pats acquired GIlmore, Ealy, Cooks and Allen and are still gonna get 2 comp picks. Outrageous.

They don't have all the franchise guys' ball speeds soooo.

2.8 points a game is a lot considering how many games are decided by 3 points or less in the NFL.

Mostly worse across the board then. It's great that he improved in critical situations but I'm reluctant to give him a pass for his play suffering elsewhere and overshadowing that.

How so? He played worse across the board. Clearly they didn't need him to do what they did in 2015 because they beat that production in 2016 with him being worse. Hockey analogy. If I'm a crappy goalie and my team wins 50 games, then next year I play even crappier and my team wins 60, would you say I'm a reason we won all those games? No.

Well see if a QB throws 100 times and his receivers drop 10 balls, that's the same drop rate as a QB who throws 50 times and his receivers drop 5 balls. Crazy, huh? It's almost like "throwing less" doesn't matter at all!

Do you understand what percentages are?

Your argument would hold more water if "drive killing drops" didn't happen all the time to every team in the NFL. TT had 11 dropped passes in 15 games in 2016. Good for 25th in the league grossly. By drop percentage, he had the 11th lowest in the NFL counting QB's with over 300 attempts. https://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/dropped-passes-by-quarterback/2016/ It's a hard argument to swallow that our WR's were underwhelming in the drop category with the numbers above. Especially when you consider TT's accuracy issues.

Be interesting to see his numbers. I think brown shot himself in the foot.

Mocks are what you think will happen, not what you want, Bill.

It was good.

Yep. Just not the QB.

All of the stats I just listed were 2016 compared to 2015. You're welcome to disagree but the numbers almost across the board and the eye test disagree with you. TT did enough to not tank the offense. But he still played worse than in 2015.

Scored more. Rushed more. Ran more plays per drive. Scored more points per drive. Had more yards per drive. Had more time per drive. Had less 3 and outs. Had a higher score percentage. TT sucked. His individual stats all went down. Everyone else played great.

What? So even though the offense by and large was better after Roman got canned, it was the reason TT got worse?

Oh my gosh...

Doubt Watkins. Probably TT

This is where we start accumulating ammo in case McD gets fired in a couple years.