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So, sorry KJ, just saw you’re thread and good choice. Now if you factor in his existing last year in 2020 contract with a four year $52 mil. contract which breaks down to $13 mil. for those four years. Considering on the Dawkins marathon thread myself included, people added this year for Dawkins to his $60 mil., and divided over 5 years which is smart, instead of $15 mil. people were saying it’s actually $12.2 mil. for the average over five years. Using the market value on Spotrac which they are a lot smarter than us have him valued at a $13 mil. avg./yr. Using that logic, an avg. per year for a $52 mil. Four year is actually five years at 1.8 mil./yr. for five years. Well that just eats out the 23rd paid linebacker Joe Schubert of Jax. Given the highest paid LB’s are actually edge rushers, this is a very fair contract. He’s not just average because we picked him up in the 5th round. He has played outstanding for a weak side back, is sideline to sideline, has a nose for the ball, if he doesn’t pick them off, he’s good at breaking them up, and he is fast enough to cover athletic TE’s. He and Edmunds play almost every defensive snap, and getting lucky with that pick is not easy. He’s not just a guy. He and Edmunds are staples to our defense. They are young, athletic, can be in our system for a minimum of eight years or longer. Now that is a big piece to creating and holding onto a championship defense. White will be here we hope just as long, the young line will keep growing like Oliver, and Epenesa, and hopefully Harry. So those are keys to this defense. Besides in 2021, Poyer will be 30 and his contract is up. He’s worth an extension although maybe shorter like three years. Hyde is also 29 now, but we don’t have to extend until he’s 31 in 2022. He’s also worth I’m guessing if he doesn’t drop off probably two to three years. That really minimizes other extensions on the defense so our drafts for defense can focus on CB, DL, and probably a third LB. I love as Beane seems like he has another five year plan for us. On offense in the next two years we’ll need Lineman, And another TE.

Biscuit, you’re kidding right. Beane and McD have transformed this team into an emerging winner making the playoffs two of three years together, the by far most talented we’ve had in 22 years at the least, and they are reclaiming most likely the East this year. You’re in the vast minority if you are advocating for Beane to be gone if Allen turns out average. He only started two years at Wyoming and two years on a rebuilding Bills team. They will be given a second bite at the Apple, but I don’t think that will happen. Allen May never be Drew Brees, but he probably will be a top 13-14 QB, and maybe higher. I’ll give you this, he has no excuses anymore not by me or anyone else. He has the same offensive system, Coordinator, consistency in a QB coach, had all the off season coaching he should need in Palmer, and more weapons than I can remember in WR’s, RB’s, a stable O Line, and if he holds onto the ball the best TE since Metzelaars. So, I’ll go along he has more than enough to be successful, and if he progresses this year let’s say to the 63%, and even farther in 2021, then he’ll get that 5th year option. Anyway, Beane and McD will be safe. Getting rid of either piece prematurely is exactly the reason we didn’t make the playoffs for 17 years. We picked and retained bad Presidents (Brandon), GM’s, and Coaches. We have all of that fixed now. It is a great time to see what’s going to happen next for the Bills.

Good points Josh. Reminds me after the fact how much Gailey bashing went on even though he had arguably the least talented NFL team when he was here. He was set up to lose. I’m not saying Gailey was perfect, but he did get a lot out of Fitz at times, Spiller had his best or possibly only good years here. It’s why I don’t dislike Gailey, and I don’t hate Daboll. There is no argument his first year was mediocre, but we were purging players and had a raw rookie QB. Josh only started at Wyoming for two years ina less than stellar conference, and had little talent around him iN 2018. They upgraded their offense in 2019, he threw for just under 3,100 yards and ran for over 500 yards. Daboll now has the talent Beane provided and a line to play behind that knows each other. Did Daboll make some head scratching plays called, sure, but so have other OC’s. I don’t think he’s ready to be a head coach yet, but I’m mentally prepared Frazier will probably get a serious shot in 2021, and if Daboll brings this offense to say top 12 in passing and top 5 in rushing. And an 11-5 record. 2022 will probably be his year. 2021 we face the NFCS, AFCE of course, and the AFCS. The common opponents considering we probably win the East will be KC and Baltimore. No easy schedule, but we should be ready for it. If Daboll does well with our offense for two years, he’ll get promoted. I’m rooting for him as that means I’m rooting for my Bills. MGK simple logic. Root for Daboll, we win. See simple.

DaRick, that’s funny. I liked Hogan when he was here and he was 7/11. Mr. Lacrosse lived up to that nickname. He only had modest numbers even in NE. I’m happy for he and his wife and their twin children. Besides she’s a doctor from Long Island so they can ostensibly live close to where they grew up. He went to Penn State so he probably grew up near her. As mentioned, the Jets are a mess, so if he has a good year, good for him. As long as it’s not against us. Darnold will probably get the ball to him especially since he has so few other quality targets. I actually have nothing against Darnold, and feel bad for him as he didn’t choose to be drafted by the Jets.

Royal, I like where you’re heads at with that take, and Beane’s coming next.

Shaw, well written and excellent points. If the teams wants it, they can extend all of these guys especially if we go deep this year. They will give a little to get the right guaranteed $.

You’re smarter than you look Lime Man. Just kidding, and I like that opinion. Shrewd my green friend.

Thanks Mafia. I don’t remember those two guys. I didn’t think we needed more DT’s, but they are probably camp bodies. Maybe not. Maybe one makes it.

Ah, the 80’s.

May Day, two words, Kansas City. Look how creative they managed their cap to extend so many key players. Beane not against the cap and Milano would be next. White already has the 5th year option out there and the following year Edmunds or Allen can also be placed on this list so you have three years to retain all of them if that is what they want to do. It is doable, and mid level players may not make it or aging players. Aging is the key. They will need to replace in the draft guys getting older like eventually (not in 2020 necessarily). We’ll eventually find replacements for Hughes, Murphy, Kroft, Star, and so on. You also don’t know down the road how many of the D Lineman will he kept of the crew that was brought in this year. I can see them trading out for other good role players, protecting the stars, and drafting well. The future is going to end up being prove it deals for several free agents, amd not the Clowney type who want monster $. Beane has proven that with letting guys like Dareus, Watkins, Gilmore and other go.

Ive said already the Dolphins are the team that will improve, but this year might be a stretch. They had I think picks in the draft in the top 70. The problem is they gave away Tunsil, etc. and are banking their draft choices will replace these assets. I see with a real off season next year we will start our old rivalry again. That mess in NE is not fixable this year. Maybe they come back to a competitive team in 2021, but if they don’t Belicheck will retire and the NE nightmare is gone. The other three teams in the East are vulnerable and weak.

Jack, that is one of the funniest Tik Tom’s I’ve watched in a long time. Thanks for sharing as I almost fell out of my chair I laughed so much. Happy Sunday.

VW, his future is not all about Allen. If Allen significantly regresses which I don’t expect, they will either in 2021 or 22 draft another QB. McD can survive one loss. I’m not saying it would be easy, but the Pegulas would most likely give him one more try. They are bright and know he and Beane are the Bills future. It was a smart move on the Pegulas amd don’t be surprised if you read of an extension to Beane before the end of 2020.

Dark side everywhere, no one safe padoin. Scary. Force is strong with you. It’s like a Miyagi, Yoda thing that is interchangeable.

Shady, thanks for the find. That was great and Marv is always the best with these small clips. VW, you extend him because you don’t wait for him to be a lame duck at the end of 2020 and becomes an enormous distraction like it has been for other teams like Dallas with Garrett. You either want him after three years and they did, or you don’t. This was a great decision and Beane even better when it happens. The problem as has been said so many times is screwing with a good tandem. We can enjoy hopefully these two and the people under the, for six years. If it doesn’t work out, which I seriously doubt, ok. We’re talking about having a secure administration and coaching for eight years minimum, and look how that worked for Pittsburgh since 1970.

Weo, he could buy 16500 ramen noodles meals for that. Just sayin. I know, and it’s funny retiring before you play a snap.

A.l for 6, or heck even 7 wins as long as the pats get steeped by us, and are absolutely humiliated by the Chiefs, Ravens, Texans, 49ers, Seattle, and hell the Cardinals. That’s 8 hopefully horrible losses by 21 to all teams, and just for kicks they lose to a Tua Dolphins and make the BB embarrassment complete. ?. By the end of the year, the analysts are saying the BB dynasty is dead and buried. Then it’s repeated in 2021, oh and Newton doesn’t make it a full season. Not because he’s hurt as I wish that on no one, but benched! in that scenario, would you really care if the Bucs made the playoffs? Watching the Cheaters just getting destroyed all year mostly by us, oh and we win 12 games. As is said, A Boy Can Dream.

Capco, I’ve got one for you and I really don’t know the answer so not a trick question. His first stint as HC for the blank team, was until 1992. He then retired and eventually went into the NASCAR thing which he won Hall of Fame for them which I read is the only person I could find in the HOF for two sports. So here’s the question and I’m sure one of our esteemed colleagues will know. It’s reported he was inducted into the NFL HOF in 1996. That’s only four years after his first retirement. I don’t know if rules were different then as I tried to find an answer. Why not five years in 1997? He’s definitely a HOF Coach. It wasn’t his fault on the crap calls on our SB. If I’m A coach and I was for years, I’m not complaining when things go my way.

4 Kid, I forgot how bad the officiating that game was, but it was disgusting. I don’t know if we would have won, but it would have been a very close game had either they officiated properly, or we do the same crap to them just lighting up their WR’s every time. That game was embarrassing, but it wouldn’t have been either way had it been done right. At least we could have gone into the back to back Dallas games with the confidence maybe winning one of the two. There is always a chance especially the second Dallas one we could have won. I hate to bring up the past, but we were winning in that one at the half. To his credit, Marv wouldn’t get in the mud with the other team. Gibbs though was a solid SB winning coach winning three with three different QB’s. That just didn’t happen back then before free agency.

MJS, you and I are usually on the same page, but as far as the O Line, there are a couple of guys who are not Bills homers I listen to and one is David Diehl who went to one Pro Bowl, part of two SB winning Giants teams and a pretty good analyst on NFLR. He just rated this week the Bills as his 10th best O Line in the league and said continuity is a big plays in this years season. He also referenced he probably would have put them up to maybe 7th if it were not for the Feliciano injury. The guy is not a big Bills bandwagon guy, although he thinks we are going to win the East this year. The other is this long time O Line coach, Paul Alexander of 35 years. He thinks our O Line is going to be a top 10 line as well. I’m with you they are not anywhere near top 5 like the Saints and others, but they will be decent if they can figure out all if the usual stuff whether Winters or not, Ford at G or RT, Williams, and so on. I keep hearing over and over again walk through absolutely nothing for an O Line. They need to hit each other and be in pads to improve. Given we don’t have many padded practices in the league during camp, this should help our Beloved Bills. As far as the rest, Logic, you make good points. Can you imagine if Darnold held out after his 5th year and said screw this place and became the successor or after an in between on a team like the saints. He would gain a great deal of respect around this league. He just plays with crap talent, coaching, management (temporarily as I think Douglas could be good and probably can’t wait to can Gase), and ownership. That won’t change.

“Cheata, Cheata. Let em play ref, let em play”. The immortal Coach Boone from the best football movie of all time, Remember the Titans. How many of you haven’t seen that one at least 10 times.

“Elizabeth, I’m comin, I’m comin.“. Good one Lime man. It is a sin not to see Sanders or Megatron in his prime not with a good team. I was hoping and praying after a year off, Megatron couldn’t get released from his rights to another team to see what he could have done as long as not in a New England jersey. That would have been a nightmare. We sucked then, but imagine Megatron with teams like Baltimore or Pittsburgh with those two cannons for arms for their respective QB’s.

Sanders was amazing. I used to go to Bucs/Lions games only because of him as the creamsicles were horrible until Dungy and even that took a couple of years (remember it was the NFCC back then). The first QB though that was a man amongst boys though was Simpson. I know he was a piece of crap off the field after the Police Squad movies (Nordberg), but it was like him running against children. Admittedly I was only a toddler during his 2003 yard season, but do remember after, and the video of his prime was incredible. I know Motor only ran a 4.6 in the combine, but he seems to have football speed. As someone else said, this is going to be a great running team this year and even moreso when we have the play action take hold, and when they try and press up, Diggs, Brown, Beasley, and Knox will kill them downfield.

God bless the draft and the FA strategy to get good players, but not overpay for high priced free agents. That’s why I’ve always been against the Clowney argument and I guess so has 31 other teams.

For the arguments just brought up, I see against the cap Milano getting his deal, and if you take this year along with his value, a $10.8 mil. hit over five years as an avg. White will probably come next year as yes we have the 5th year and we can also tag him for two years so no rush. He’s going to get elite CB $ no matter what and he deserves it. Beane will probably happen very soon and tied to McD’s extension as everyone and their brother has stated he doesn’t count against the cap. We then have time for Edmunds, Allen, and can evaluate what or if we need to pay Hyde or Poyer in a couple of years. The 9der guys will fade away eventually like Hughes, Murphy, Star, and Norman. Norman could be resigned next year if he plays well, but he’ll never get star power $ again.