Rocky Landing

I'm curious if there's a similar reserve Covid designation like last year? It would be cruel, but I wouldn't be surprised if Fromm had that same role this year.

And in the second-least surprising news of the day.... Hart is gone.

Insta-panic on the Ferguson cut.

Is Fergy subject to waivers???

Thank God, I made the cut. Although, I am not beneath smirking at beavers...

Wait a minute... you have to be older, or younger than 30...?

How many picks?

Of course, we do have a 13-page thread devoted to it. Just sayin'...

Is Smoke Brown just shaking his head as he walks out the door, or what? Gotta imagine someone picks up Smoke.

And someone correct me if I'm wrong, but it looks like Late Nate Peterman is still there!

I don't even like Taiwan Jones. I wanted him gone up until preseason.

The straw man argument is claiming that I, or others are claiming that Jones os a "gunner God," or that "he has to be on at all costs." The straw man argument I pointed that you made, "Again, does not mean there isn’t someone else capable of good gunner play. That’s the point. Some of you have made this decision ONLY Taiwan is capable of it," is something that literally no one is suggesting. That is the definition of a straw-man argument. You were arguing a point that no one was making, as if they were. And I mean no disrespect either. I generally love your posts, and respect your opinions.

This is the way debates happen on here, all too often, unfortunately. People argue in support of a certain player, and then some folks start with this straw-man garbage. Does nothing for the debate, and only misrepresents other's opinions on the matter. If that's how you debate a subject, it's hard to take anything you say seriously.

That's a straw man argument.

For the record, I was advocating for moving on from Jones earlier this summer, as well. But that was before seeing how little we had a P/KR, the release of D. Johnson, J. Johnson's injury, and McKenzie jacking up his shoulder.

Why would we want Taiwan Jones on the practice squad? (He's not subject to waivers, btw)

Are you honestly saying that Matt Haack makes Taiwan Jones expendable?

Right now (on paper, at least), we have a worse ST unit than we did last season.

I suggested earlier in the thread that it's really easy for fans to undervalue special teams, and this is a pretty good illustration of that...

Not really sure why this has turned into a "Jones vs Kumerow" debate. But the point remains: how far do you dismantle what was a strong unit last season. Roberts, D. Johnson, J. Johnson is currently injured, and we should drop an elite gunner, to boot? It's not just about how many stops a single player got. Special teams is crucial to getting good field position. That's important!

It's a shame we don't play them until December. It would be nice to get an early crack at the rook.

Are you suggesting that ST did not contribute to decent field position last season, or that it will not be a factor in field position this season? I would certainly disagree with that.

A strong ST unit translates into good field position which translates into more trips to the red zone. We certainly benefitted from that last season. At least on paper, it doesn't look like we're going to start on ST as strong as last season, even with Jones. It's easy for fans to undervalue special teams, but it's a lot more than just kicking into the end zone.

Just how much do you think we should dismantle our ST from last season?

I'm going to step in and defend both of them. Shaw might be an emotional slapdick, and BADOLBILZ might be just a dick, but they're both respected posters here, they both know a lot about football (more than me, anyway), and these types of debates, contentious though they may be, raise the level of discourse on this site to a height that https://patriotsfans.freeforums.net/, or https://finheaven.com/forums/miami-dolphins-forum.4/, or https://forums.jetnation.com/forum/5-ny-jets-forum/ could only dream of, if they were actually capable of recognizing a coherent debate.