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The straw man argument is claiming that I, or others are claiming that Jones os a "gunner God," or that "he has to be on at all costs." The straw man argument I pointed that you made, "Again, does not mean there isn’t someone else capable of good gunner play. That’s the point. Some of you have made this decision ONLY Taiwan is capable of it," is something that literally no one is suggesting. That is the definition of a straw-man argument. You were arguing a point that no one was making, as if they were. And I mean no disrespect either. I generally love your posts, and respect your opinions.

This is the way debates happen on here, all too often, unfortunately. People argue in support of a certain player, and then some folks start with this straw-man garbage. Does nothing for the debate, and only misrepresents other's opinions on the matter. If that's how you debate a subject, it's hard to take anything you say seriously.

That's a straw man argument.

For the record, I was advocating for moving on from Jones earlier this summer, as well. But that was before seeing how little we had a P/KR, the release of D. Johnson, J. Johnson's injury, and McKenzie jacking up his shoulder.

Why would we want Taiwan Jones on the practice squad? (He's not subject to waivers, btw)

Are you honestly saying that Matt Haack makes Taiwan Jones expendable?

Right now (on paper, at least), we have a worse ST unit than we did last season.

I suggested earlier in the thread that it's really easy for fans to undervalue special teams, and this is a pretty good illustration of that...

Not really sure why this has turned into a "Jones vs Kumerow" debate. But the point remains: how far do you dismantle what was a strong unit last season. Roberts, D. Johnson, J. Johnson is currently injured, and we should drop an elite gunner, to boot? It's not just about how many stops a single player got. Special teams is crucial to getting good field position. That's important!

It's a shame we don't play them until December. It would be nice to get an early crack at the rook.

Are you suggesting that ST did not contribute to decent field position last season, or that it will not be a factor in field position this season? I would certainly disagree with that.

A strong ST unit translates into good field position which translates into more trips to the red zone. We certainly benefitted from that last season. At least on paper, it doesn't look like we're going to start on ST as strong as last season, even with Jones. It's easy for fans to undervalue special teams, but it's a lot more than just kicking into the end zone.

Just how much do you think we should dismantle our ST from last season?

I'm going to step in and defend both of them. Shaw might be an emotional slapdick, and BADOLBILZ might be just a dick, but they're both respected posters here, they both know a lot about football (more than me, anyway), and these types of debates, contentious though they may be, raise the level of discourse on this site to a height that https://patriotsfans.freeforums.net/, or https://finheaven.com/forums/miami-dolphins-forum.4/, or https://forums.jetnation.com/forum/5-ny-jets-forum/ could only dream of, if they were actually capable of recognizing a coherent debate.

There are several teams that could claim him before he falls to GB.

I THINK WE'LL BE ABLE TO MANAGE WITHOUT SHOUTBOX FOR A LITTLE WHILE.

In case anyone's wondering what an apple box is: https://www.filmtools.com/filmtools-apple-box-full.html

I wonder if the the grips ordered additional apple boxes for Murray?

Wonder how well he can play guard? Wonder if he clears waivers?

I think there is an erroneous assumption that Covid-19 isn't going to be the issue it was last season. In fact, it could be much more of an issue, and I wonder if they're not going to put poor Fromm back in his lonely little world that he endured last season?

I'm not worried at all about what the loss of Johnson means for the D-line. He had a good preseason, but I think Addison still offers more at DE. What I am concerned about is the state of our STs. Johnson made a lot of plays last season on punts and kickoffs, and the Bills definitely benefitted from good field position all season. With Johnson out, that's two core players gone. But, of course, K/PR is a much more pressing issue.

Nerds.

It could certainly be that this is the year where there are no surprises come the cut-down date, which would be... surprising...

That's a smart trade, IMO. With the hits they've taken this offseason (especially Carl Lawson's injury), that seems like a good fit, and good value, at a clear need. Shaq's worth a sixth round pick, IMO.

Good Night for the No Huddle Offense Ever since Dick Jauron's horrible "No O-line/No Huddle" offensive scheme, I've been skeptical of the ho-huddle offense. It seemed to me that it would often put the offense in as much of a disadvantage as the opposing D. It also seemed to require a fairly simple menu of plays that could be audibled at the LOS. This buffalo offense, however, is a different story. There is so much continuity, and familiarity on this starting offense, such a strong relationship between Daboll, and Allen, and so much trust, and leadership in Allen, that I suspect they can run a far more complex scheme from the no-huddle than the majority of other teams in the NFL. In fact, Allen's ability to audible seemed to have inspired the Packers to call a TO, at one point. OK, here's my homerism for the day: If they decide to run it with any frequency, this team may have the best no-huddle offense since the K-gun under Marv Levy.