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And yet he drafted Mac & Cheese, and then Zappe??? What was he planning on doing with them? Are you suggesting that either of those guys were "NFL ready?"

This thread could be a case study on confirmation bias.

According to the police report, the guy (Ryan Zebley) received whiplash, headache, and possible minor concussion. It's not clear in any of the video if he hit his head, or not. Sure, he might be lying, and I'm sure many on this site will assume he is. But, the oft-repeated assumption that "no one got hurt" is just an assumption, and not supported by any source I'm aware of.

I looked a little closer at this video. It's been said several times on this thread that he was a photographer, but upon examination, I don't think that is the case. He's carrying a C-stand with what looks like a steady-cam rack, for resting a steady-cam when it's not in use. He's also wearing a backpack, which looks like it has some weight to it. I think this guy is a steady-cam assistant, and that pack likely had accessories in it which could have included batteries, focus mounts, matte box, etc. It's possible it could have had a lens, or two, but not likely. Could also have had a still camera. At any rate, the pack could easily have weighed 30 pounds, or more. A cameral assistant in this capacity is probably around $800 a day, give or take, and likely union affiliated. But, don't let the union affiliation misguide you-- someone in this job capacity has zero job security, and could easily have been fired for his misstep, regardless of fault, or fairness. Those items in the backpack I mentioned are all quite pricey, and likely owned by the steady-cam operator (assuming my observations are correct). EDIT: I looked this guy up, and he is a KC based photographer. (I don't know if he was working in that capacity, or not-- plenty, if not most assistant photographers/cameramen bill themselves as photographers, or cinematographers.)

OK, I'll start. Tre White is 27 years old, and a top five CB in the league (assuming he comes back in form). Have we really missed him? We did against the the Fish. We will on Sunday against Mahomes. I get the thinking, but I think you're placing way too much faith in Dane Jackson, and two rookies who may, or may not develop to somewhere near White's production. Lets wait until we actually have a top tier starting duo somewhere in Benford/Elam/Jackson before we trade away our best CB.

There is this narrative that goes around about "running quarterbacks," and how unsustainable it is. (Usually, it seems to be the fans of teams with decidedly non-mobile QBs who like to talk about this.) I think it's a myth. Think of the most mobile QBs in the league today-- guys who you think might take off running-- and you think of Jackson, Allen, Mahomes, Trey Lance. Then look at the quarterback injuries so far this season: Carson Wentz, Mac & Cheese Jones, Brian Hoyer, Tua, Bridgewater, Jamais Winston, Zack Wilson, Tyrod Taylor, Dak Prescott, Russel Wilson, Trey Lance. The most mobile QBs to sustain injury so far this season are probably Russel Wilson, and Trey Lance. And, I believe the only one that occurred during a designed run was Trey Lance. I think it's far more likely a QB suffers an injury in the pocket, and I think that the lesser mobile QBs would probably fare worse in that situation. I don't have any stats to back this up. Just my thoughts on the subject, but maybe I'm wrong. I often am...

McKenzie, especially for his size, has also been very good at blocking, and pass pro.

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If he gets a fine, or suspension, it's because professional conduct doesn't end when the clock runs out. The photographer was literally doing his job. It's akin to a flag. The fact that a player is sorry that he roughed the passer is irrelevant. You don't flag based on intent. Bowling over an onfield photographer is clearly stepping over the line of professional conduct-- much more so than roughing the passer, IMO And for all the people saying "don't step in front of the players..." understand that getting all those shots that we love to see is literally the responsibility of the photographer and the player being photographed. The NFL is a business, and quality coverage before, during, and after the game is intrinsic to that.

That is my point. Y'all making the case that Shakir > McK based on one game against a team we practically shut out. To claim that "McK hasn't done chit this year" is just not true, including in comparison to Shakir. And to say that Shakir "makes a few nice plays I've never seen mck make," is anecdotal, at best. McKenzie has had some great games in a Bills uniform, against much better opponents.

Are we assuming that OBJ will be cheaper than Davis???

He has 15 receptions in four games for three TDs, and a catch rate of 71.4% Shakir has 5 receptions in three games for one TD, and a catch rate of 55.6%. What are you talking about?

I know they were the correct calls. My odd point is that if Carr hadn't thrown those two passes behind the receiver, the PIs wouldn't have happened, and the defenders would have been in the right position to defend.

I appreciate Adams' apology. But if anyone was being a snowflake here, it's the guy who takes out his frustration on a smaller guy just trying to do his job, because they failed at theirs. It's the emotionally stronger man who can maintain professionalism, and good sportsmanship in defeat.

Shaw, I think the point is that your (and several others) opinions are highly speculative. There really isn't enough of a sample size to simply state that Shakir is demonstratively better than McKenzie. And using recent stats as "proof" really looks like confirmation bias when there are other games in which McKenzie has better numbers.

Raiders found a way to lose this game. Interesting to me, though-- one of the reasons the Raiders had this game as close as it was is because Derek Carr sucks. Two huge PI calls that got them to a yard of the goal line that led to a TD occurred because Carr couldn't get the ball far enough down field. Carr, IMO, is the most overrated QB in the league. He plays scared. He pitched a ball to a RB (when he could have easily gotten a first down) because he was afraid of taking a hit. Whenever there's a free defender pursuing him, he runs the opposite direction, loses all downfield vision, and doesn't even try to extend the play. He was lucky to not get called on a second intentional grounding on a ball that really didn't reach the LOS. He's a weenie.

I remember when we had discussions that sounded very similar to the discussions currently taking place on the Patriots* forums regarding Bailey Zappe vs. Mac & Cheese.

This is an hilarious read. The best quote from that thread came from our very esteemed @GunnerBill: LOL!

I had a super stressful week at work. I mean super stressful, and it didn't end until about 3:00am Saturday. Suffice to say, I was utterly knackered on Sunday morning, and incapable of dealing with any kind of stress whatsoever. I almost considered not watching the games, just to save myself the possibility of anything that might raise my blood pressure (which was a serious issue just a couple months ago). Of course, half the reason I watch the games in the first place is that it's a foolproof method for getting my family to leave me the hell alone for three hours on a Sunday. They cause me stress as well, so watching the game was a risk calculation. (My twelve-year-old son, Bruno, watches with me, but that's ok-- he doesn't cause me any stress.. so far...) Anyway-- it was really important that the Bills put this game away early, and get out to an early lead. It was literally vital to my actual health. Thank you, Bills, and you're welcome, everyone else.

What now???

Edited above. Still an awful call...

The Tyler Kroft fiasco was one of the first things I thought of. But IIRC, the NFL stated a couple days later that it should have been ruled a catch by Kroft? Or am I making that up in my head...? EDIT: I just looked it up, and I was making it up in my head:

I'm well aware of all of this, and I like what I saw. I think his skills, and particularly his vision, make him a good choice for the position, especially considering it was his first opportunity. Given the conditions, the wave offs didn't bother me. It's been a revolving door ever since Andre Roberts left, and I think Shakir could really develop into the position. That would be my hope, anyway.

I'd like to see him on P/KR, and back up McKenzie.

Interesting that we're having a heated debate about who the backup QB will be next year. Personally, I'm crossing my fingers for Davis Webb.