Rocky Landing
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Never in my 50 years as a fan have I seen so many people ignore a quarterbacks winning percentage.
I don't think anyone is ignoring Young's winning percentage- it's the reason there is so much discussion in the first place. But, you also can't ignore the less positive elements of his history or character. Fitz and Young are both mixed bags.
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A very interesting premise to this thread. If correct, I think this could point to the brain trust thinking they are pretty good OR they don't want to put too much on tape.
Not mutually exclusive
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Of the people on these boards who are constantly looking for our "next franchise quarterback," or are asking questions like, "which QB should we have drafted or traded for?..." I wonder if they considered Fitz to be our franchise QB after the first six games last season?
If we go 10-6, or make the playoffs this season, then will Fitz be our franchise QB?
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I read this forum a lot. I don't often post. But, I will say this: At this point in the preseason, I'm getting pretty sick of these threads that are little more than thinly veiled excuses to bemoan our current starting quarterback. We didn't draft McCoy, Clausen, or Gabbert. We didn't trade for Vick, or Palmer, or Flynn. Our man is Fitzpatrick. Get over it.
(Unless you want to talk more about Tebow, God, how I love him!)
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he was kicked out of high school athletics, hes the poster boy for what was wrong at florida, and hes been a handful in minnesota.....
red flags are ALL OVER this guy.
do you want to pull the trigger on him with high picks and a huge contract and then get stuck if he hasnt grown up? theres a lot of indication he could be a major handful.
im not disagreeing that he is super talented, but i will say its the type of move that could easily backfire. not the basket i put my eggs in, but i would certainly hope for the best.
Nix/Gailey certainly frown upon negative character issues- much more so than most GM/HCs. If they didn't trust his character, I'd be surprised if they took the risk.
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I wouldn't be against it, but it sounds like a long shot to me.
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I've always considered the end zone dance to be a little silly, and sometimes embarrassing- nothing more. As far as Stevie is concerned, I understand that he is having a fan competition of some sort so that fans can affect his end zone dance (I don't remember the details). Great! Why not? If Stevie is doing an end zone dance based on fan input, then I will be a new fan of the end zone dance.
And, as far as Mike Mularkey is concerned, he is the HC of the Jacksonville Jaguars. (Soon to be the Los Angeles Riots, or whatever they happen to change their name to).
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Quit Clowney around.
I hate emoticons, but here's three of them.
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here is what I saw today. Fitzy was in total control and accurate. Young doesn't move his feet after he sets, so if the primary wr is not open he throws awkwardly in a different direction. Very inaccurate. At WR Hagen, Clowney and Jones all looked very good. Clowney really impressed me. Brock was a surprise at TE. Fred looked as good as ever. He took a screen pass and exploded like we are accustomed to seeing. Then he ran a route from motion in the red zone that didn't look like a normal route, but Fitz knew exactly where he would be (TD). McKillup looked too slow and Tank too small. The real story was Gilmore. I spent the most time watching him. When he knew who he was covering, he was good ( although he did get turned around twice). The scary thing was 50% of the time he didn't seem to know who to cover. Both in zone coverage as well as facing trips, he frequently ended up doubling someone and leaving a guy open, I deduced that it was his fault because a coach kept talking to him. Not time to panic, its early. But it was concerning. Lastly, Eddins and Jasper went at it. Not sure what started it but Eddins was out of his mind pissed. It was hottttttt there.
It's amazing how little attention Clowney gets in the media (and on here!). Most articles you read about the Bills WRs and their lack of a #2 don't even mention Clowney, positive or negative, as if he isn't even there. I think that what we have heard about him since becoming a Bill is impressive. He seems to be Vince Young's favorite target (for whatever that's worth). And, he has a great attitude. I love how much emphasis Nix/Gailey put on character. It makes me proud to be a Bills fan. That may also partially explain his treatment under the Jets. They don't tend to concern themselves with character issues one way or the other. Clowney was in a tenuous situation in Jersey and I suspect his abilities are better than his Jets career would suggest.
So, what is it about Clowney? Why no love?
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But it's not just Fitzpatrick, the worst QB in history.
It's also Gailey, the most stubborn, pass-happy, telegraphs-every-play-to-the-defense head coach in history.
And David Lee, the worst coach to ever stunt the development of a college QB he never coached.
Bring back Jauron!
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For those suggesting defenses "figured the Bills' offense out" beginning in Cinci, I'd only like to point out that six of the nine defenses the Bills faced after the bye finished in the top half of the league, statistically. Of the three that didn't, the Bills put up 386 yards against Tennessee, 351 against Denver, and 402 against the Pats*.
Additionally, by far the worst stretch of games the offense had last season were the three immediately following Fitz's "alleged" rib injury -- 287, 271, and 245 against the Jets, Cowboys, and Fish (when Freddy went down).
In four of the final six games of 2011, the Bills put up offensive numbers exceeding their per-game average for the season.
I think a lot of this debate comes down to what you are willing to believe:
-Was Fitz's rib injury part of the reason for his decline in the second half of the season?
-Were the injuries to the front line, WRs, Jackson, et al, part of the reason for Fitz's decline?
-Can the coaching of David Lee improve Fitz's performance?
-Can the improvements in depth and personnel improve Fitz's performance?
-Can Fitz play at the level he did for the first six games last season for the entire 2012 season?
If your answer is "yes" to one or more of these questions, then Fitz has the potential to become an "upper echelon QB."
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You just doubled down on silly and not reading before typing.
These are over/under on wins for the season, dude, and yes, they do exist.
My bad.
BTW- Jets have dropped to 4 point favorites for week one.
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How is it that a guy goes 7 seasons in the NFL and only now realizes he has bad mechanics? Did he have any coaches, especially the "esteemed" George Cortez these past 2 seasons?
Buffalo's offense is built around the short passing game, as the receivers aren't deep threats, the QB doesn't have a plus arm and the OL is built more for run blocking the pass pro. I will never forget the Giants game and seeing Fitz toss 2 INT's on passes beyond 20 yards. His accuracy downfield was among the NFL's worst, which is something I don't see changing. There just aren't many NFL QB's who magically improve in their 8th season.
Beginning with the Bengals loss, Buffalo got figured out offensively. For the record it took 3.5 games: jam the receivers, disrupt their route running, and Buffalo's offense ground to a halt. Those first 3 games were more the exception that the rule scoring wise for the 2011 season, in large part to Fitz's physical limitations. And David Lee can't fix that.
Just to be clear:
You are saying that when Lee and Fitzpatrick, during interviews, have stated that his mechanics and accuracy have improved dramatically this offseason, they are-
a) pandering to the media
b) lying
c) delusional
d) mistaken (they're well-meaning, they just don't have the expertise that you possess, and your opinion should bear more weight).
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ANd he never won big at any of those places either. He won some, he had some good players. He had some good running backs too. I don't need to try, it is the truth. He is presently undervaluing the Bills running game, and it is a fact.
You are hilarious, you are the one that needs to try harder. 10 years ago in the NFL is ancient times, the game has totally changed in the last 10 seasons, you just make yourself look like a fool trying to compare today to 10 years ago. Pretty sad effort really.
Hilarious? A "sad effort?"
eball uses stats and actual numbers to make his point and you blather in return.
Seriously. Stop trolling.
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Well then by your logic you wouldn't trade Fitz for Cam Newton, Andrew Luck, RGIII? Also QBs with bright futures who might not be more productive than Fitz this year? At some point you might have to take a step back in order to move forward when you have a middle of the pack QB.
Newton, Luck, and RGIII are very different discussions. I agree that "at some point you might have to take a step back in order to move forward." And, Newton, Luck and Griffin might be worth the step back- not Dalton. Plus, I'm tired of moving back. It's been what, three years since the miserable Dick Jauron, and everyone associated with him, was sent packing? It feels like Gailey/Nix have been building for this year. Not next year or the year after.
Let's be clear and honest here. Chan Gailey DID NOT build a system around Ryan Fitzpatrick. Chan Gailey has a system that Ryan Fitzpatrick happens to play in.
I'll agree with this distinction. But, Chan wouldn't be a very good coach if he didn't modify his system around the strengths of his QB. Also, I take Chan at his word that he has faith in Fitz as their franchise QB. So, the distinction is largely semantic.
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Based on your "reality is what I want it to be," I'll bet I can guess with 99.999999% accuracy who you're going to vote for as president
Let's not go there. This is football, not politics.
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Wait so Andy Dalton did not win 9 games as a rookie? Actually yes. He did. Its perfectly reasonable to judge a QB by his win%.
By saying he doesn't have a cannon and doesn't scramble, you're effectively describing half the quarterbacks in the league. I think you're forgetting that Dalton was a ROOKIE and still put up very good numbers. He had 50 fewer attempts than Fitz and threw 10 fewer INTs. He only threw 4 less TDs. He has a better passer rating than Fitz. Dalton's Stats:
3398 yds, 58% cmp%, 20 TDs, 13 INTs.
I'll take that every time out of a rookie. Wanna know what Fitz did as a rookie?
777 yds, 56% cmp%, 4 TDs, 8 INs.
Yes, he could easily have a sophmore slump. But Fitz could also easily throw 20 INTs again next year and be out of the league by 2014. You really wouldn't trade Fitz for Dalton right now?
Of course, this is a purely academic exercise, BUT...
I would definitely NOT trade Fitz for Dalton right now. Gailey has built the system around Fitz and every reasonable indicator gives Fitz a very good chance of performing at or above the level he played at during the first half of last season. If that happens, we have a winning team.
Putting in another QB (save for the very few elite QBs) would be a step backwards- especially one with only one season under his belt. Perhaps moving forward with Fitz will be a step in the wrong direction, but we won't know until we start playing. It's a choice between moving forward or moving backward.
Personally, I have very high hopes for Fitz. I say, move forward.
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Fitz did not get better last season. That is a complete lie. What games were you watching? 2011 was a repeat of 2010, good starts and dreadful finishes, just more of the same, dude has under a 70 QB rating for his career in November and December. He is not a very good starting NFL QB.
Using the QB (passer) rating really has very little meaning in your argument.
For those who don’t know, the formula for the passer rating is: [(a + b + c + d)/6] x 100, whereas a = [(completions/attempts x 100) – 30] x 0.05; b = [(yards/att) – 3] x 0.25; c = (TD/att) x 20; and d = 2.375 – (interceptions/att x 25).
Q: What’s missing from this equation? A: any variables that include the performance of any other player on the field other than the quarterback. So, if a QB has no offensive line to speak of and is only given an average of 1.6 seconds to get rid of the ball before being sacked, their rating will be low. Or, if a QB is playing a superior defense, their rating will be lower. That’s why Matt Stafford of the Lions could have a rating of 121.9 against the Panthers, and a 66.5 the following week against the Packers. Conversely, if a QB has great protection, like Tom Brady for most of his career, his rating will tend higher. In real statistical terms (as opposed to the armchair variety practiced by fans on these boards and pundits on ESPN), there are no published p-values, critical values, significance levels, or confidence intervals for the passer rating. Why? A: because it is statistically meaningless; it has no use for statistical analysis.
I think that the only use for the passer rating is for (crudely) tracking a single QB's performance against weekly variables such as the one's mentioned above. It has almost no value for comparing different players on different teams. In fact, I would go as far as to say that it is a better indicator of team performance than of QB performance.
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I'm glad this article predicting a 7-9 finish came out. It should help soothe all of the fans "worried" the Bills are getting too much good press and that they haven't proven anything yet.
By the way, I know from listening to Kirwan on SiriusXM he is very impressed with the depth the Bills have assembled on defense; I think that comes across (somewhat) in his portion of the preview.
I would love to know who the "insider" was who provided those quotes. Probably Tom Donahoe.
I'm definitely not one of those "worried" fans. But, it does somehow make me feel a little more at ease to read an article that doesn't heap praise on the Bills. Like last season, I always felt a little better going into a game as an underdog- which were most of the games we won. We lost most of the games we were favored in.
All that aside, this article reads like some high school kid's homework assignment. (no offense, Teen Insight.)
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I take Fitz because I feel his skills fit the team better. Ive always felt Vick was a bit overrated and if he couldn't run, he'd be an average QB
If he can't run, he's a below average QB.
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I bet every season- I live in L.A., but do a lot of work in Vegas. I also Have a bookie who covers bets based on Vegas Insider consensus. Generally speaking, I don't bet on the Bills games (emotions will cloud judgment). I was surprised to see the LV Hilton had opened betting on the week one opener about seven weeks ago. They had the Jets favored by 5.5. How could I pass that up? At this moment, the spread has dropped to 4 points for the Jets. I would be surprised if it didn't continue to drop.
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Finally, something to talk about.
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F**K BUFFALO WILD WINGS.
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Meh. It was just a Camry. Show me Darius lifting a Cadillac, or an SUV, or Rex Ryan's ego, or a Pats fan's mouth and I'll be impressed.
Which current Bills will be on the Jets Roster for Game 1?
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I think it's a mistake to consider the opener vs the Jets as a slam dunk. The Jets Circus gets a lot of media attention, but I think it's likely that, to a degree, it is hype. Most of the Las Vegas sports books still have the Jets favored by 3 points. That's down from 6 a couple months ago, so perception is trending in our direction. Depending on our, and the Jets showing on Saturday, I suspect that the spread will drop even further.