Rocky Landing

First flag. Refs are letting them play.

Wow Bortles sucks.

I agree with this. There were many head-scratching moments this season regarding personnel. I think the Dareus trade was less controversial than some of the others, but this is a game where he will be missed. But as far as his impact in this game- he isn’t a starter. I’m not sure I would put their improvements solely on his shoulders.

So, a thread about Marcel Dareus, and our run D immediately tries to turn into another TT bashing thread. I think I will just have to avoid this site, altogether, today...

Pretty accurate portrayal of an NFL ref.

There were quite a few people on this site who, not even halfway into the season, were hoping we would tank for the sake of a high draft pick. I never bothered to take note of the names of these posters because I utterly disagreed with such malarkey. But the disappointment among some that we made it into the postseason is palpable on this thread, especially. No one is going to admit their disappointment, of course (even to themselves, I suspect), but the attitude seems to make its way into every thread. It's a bit sickening, and a real drag to endure. I still go to this site every day-- there are quite a few educated, and insightful posters around here. But, the constant parade of Tyrod haters pissing in the well is tiresome.

You're missing the point. The O-line was getting blown up for four quarters. The Bills played better with TT at the helm.

Yes, they came out for the second half and played with intensity. Taylor has the ability to escape the pocket and extend plays, and he did that. You, and Buffalo2218, can try to weirdly rewrite history to fit you agenda. But, it just looks silly. Anyone who thinks that Taylor wasn't A LOT better than Peterman in the second half of that game is delusional.

Since when does garbage time start at the beginning of the second half?

It seems to me that his stat line against the same team in the second half of the same game is a bit more relevant.

How far do you have to stretch to not give Taylor any credit that he is due? I didn't see the Chargers "let off the gas." They were pumped.

This seems to be the conventional wisdom, but I'm not so sure. If we draft a QB high, which seems likely, would it be better to have Taylor, whichever vet journeyman is available, or Peterman/Webb?

There's really no question in my mind. They played better on both sides of the ball in the second half, especially the offense.

The entire team played better in the second half with Taylor under center. I don't think that's a coincidence.

IMO, it's an all-too-common mistake to look at our QB woes from the perspective of Brady, and the Evil Lord who coaches him. I truly wish that I could respect those two, being the GOATs that they are. Were they not such cheating scum... Also, I don't believe that anyone who knew what they were talking labeled Goff a bust. His rookie season was abysmal. But, his issues were more on Fisher, and his mishandling of his team than Goff being a bust. And had the Rams not spent so much on the pick, no one would have used the word 'bust' at all. And the proof is in the pudding. Goff is a franchise guy. But, your point is well taken. The difference between Fisher, and co, and McVay and co, is the difference between winning, and losing. Dennison stinks. Get rid of him.

Yes. Someone needed to say this. Thank you.

I agree with all of this. At 53, I'm one of the younger fans on this site (jk!), and I was just a kid in the seventies. Maybe I'm looking at the past through rose colored glasses, but the Bills/Dolphins rivalry felt more like Rocky vs Apollo Creed, whereas the current Bills/Pats* rivalry feels more like Rocky vs Ivan Drago. It sure would be satisfying to watch a Drago beat-down tomorrow. You get a sense that the Pats* view themselves as having 31 rivals.

Well. we beat the Dolphins, and the Dolphins beat the Patriots*. Ergo, we must be better than the Patriots*. That's the way it works, right?

Starting Peterman against the Chargers was utterly irresponsible. I don't see how that has changed much, except that the Colts are not as good as the Chargers.

Then re-watch the Chargers game. It wasn't just the interceptions that were the problem. The whole team played better with Tyrod under center. Taylor was the better quarterback and it wasn't close. And if you think there is a better journeyman out there, let's hear a name. But even if you can come up with somebody, it won't be someone who knows the system, and the coaches. Taylor does, and he has the respect of the team. The Tyrod Hate on this site is often unhinged, I swear...

I was at the Chargers game. I bought those tickets before the season started, and while I got them at cost, they weren't cheap. I may never forgive Peterman for that debacle. As for the people who are saying that "there is zero chance that Taylor will be a Bill next season," I have to ask: Why? If we draft a QB in the first round (which I would think likely), do we just throw them in the starting lineup, ready or not? Or, do we bother to develop them? I would hope the latter. Do people not see the value of having a veteran QB on the roster while developing a first year QB, regardless of whether they are starting? It seems to me that Taylor would fit that role perfectly, and he's better than any other free agent vet likely to be available, and a helluva lot better than Peterman. Unless you're interested in winning the game.

Losing culture. I guess it includes the fan base.

We don't want two good OTs?

You don't not know nothing about football.

Good points. But, maybe more to your point, is less the question of whether or not it is worth it to draft a QB high (I think 90%+ are in agreement that it is), and more of a question of how we manage, and develop that QB. For example, I would submit that Fisher (his record, and subsequent firing, notwithstanding) was wise to not start Goff right away, and that Goff has benefitted from sitting behind Case Keenum for a season. I just hope that we aren't stuck with Nate Peterman, and/or whatever low-rent, vet scrub is available, as our othe QBs. I hope Taylor is with us next season.