Rocky Landing

I’m not sure if the well had been poisoned by not picking up Shaq’s fifth year option or not, but I see Shaq having his best year, and looking like someone who was worthy of a first round pick.

Well, we have Brown who is potentially a legit #1, and we have Beasley who is definitely a legit slot receiver. Then we have Roberts who is a legit kick/punt returner. After that we are deep in average WRs. What good does that really do us to keep so many? I keep reading about how deep we are at RB. But, in all honesty, Shady is a legitimate concern coming off his worst season, and showing less speed, and agility. Gore is 36, and Singletary is a rookie. I would be surprised if we didn't keep four RBs. And, we'll have a minimum of three TEs. Four would not surprise me there, either. Either way, seven WRs seems highly unlikely to me.

I think a lot of folks here consider it a given that there will be six WRs. I don't believe this is the case. Beane had mentioned on more than one occasion the possibility of only carrying five. I also think that we could carry four TEs, and four RBs, which would make a five WR scenario almost certain. And, at that point, I think the competition if far less settled. Brown, Beasley, Roberts, Jones, Foster would be the conventional wisdom, but I could certainly see Jones, or Foster losing out to some of the other guys fighting for a spot.

Looking at how well our O-line did, along with keeping Allen upright, and safe in the pocket (did he have to break from the pocket more than once?), they ran some absolutely textbook-perfect screens. And, not just the starters. The second string O-line ran a couple beauties, as well. Great to see them coming together, and working as a unit. I do too. That PI was heartbreaking!

Gruden just loves him At least that’s the rumor This guy grows on you Like a cancerous tumor Peterman

I keep forming these "Burma Shave" style rhymes in my head. I can't stop. Preseason was great In regular he stank So the boy cried All the way to the bank Peterman

The context of the quote was a SD player talking about how bad the O-line was playing, not how they were "abandoning their QB."

Oh, I don't know. I think arguing that the entire O-line would be willing to risk their own careers based on a defender's comment taken out of context is at least as idiotic as some racial/political connection. Hey, maybe Peterman's a Trump supporter?

I keep catching myself making up little rhymes in the style of the old Burma Shave signs. Like: I'm a big time quarterback In the NFL Here comes my pass TOUCH D - Oh hell.. PETERMAN

I'm not talking about suing him! Jesus, everyone needs to calm down...

Ritchie Incognito: "Let me tell ya what I learned about in counseling..."

I actually love watching preseason games. I love seeing the bubble guys fighting for a spot, or even just recognition, trying to keep their NFL dreams alive. I also like seeing the coaches experimenting with various positions, and schemes, and the evaluation process. We got to see Christian Wade take it to the house. I was wondering how Senorise Perry would look in a game, and I got to see that. I wouldn't at all be surprised if we did go 4-0 for the preseason, just on the depth of our defense alone. IMO, our second string defense is a good, or better than the bottom third of the league's first string defenses. Word.

I think in one series during the Colts game, Barkley handed off to Singletary something like nine plays in a row. People say that preseason games are meaningless, but I love them. I love watching players battle for spots on the roster, but I also love to see a coach like McDermott give a rookie RB back a pounding to see what he's made of. It's a shame Knox wasn't out there-- maybe he would have gotten his first touchdown. But, I suspect we will see him soon enough.

I only say that there is a distinct possibility that we only carry five wide receivers because Beane has mentioned the possibility more than once. I also think there is a good possibility that they carry four RBs, and four TEs, which increases that likelihood. Another indicator that I've seen is that they have been giving Roberts so much time in at WR, and giving him so many routes. And, if we only carry five, the obvious choices would be Brown, Jones, Beasley, Foster, and Roberts. I would say there was a zero chance of carrying both McKensie, and McCloud.

One of the definitions of fraud is "someone who is not what they seem, or is represented to be." I'm sure Late Nate wants to be a competent NFL-level QB. He's not. Does he know he's not? I think somewhere in his brain, he must. That is why I said "... to some degree..." Do I hold it against him? Only if he's wearing a Bills uni. But, the bottom line is: Nate Peterman is not a competent NFL quarterback.

It would be a surprise if he wasn't cut, no?

I don't hate the guy, I hate the player. At least, I did when he was wearing a Bills uni. I think the situation is just amusing, now, and I'm glad he's on the Raiders, because I'm watching Hard Knocks, and I think it'll be good entertainment. I can't really root for him, though. At least to some degree, I think he's a fraud. And, I don't like frauds. I'd much rather see Mike Glennon get their backup job. He's had a decent pro career. In the two games he played in AZ last year (behind truly the worst O-line in the league), he held his own, and did pretty well. I think he deserves it more.

Here's mine: I think it's a distinct possibility that they only carry five wide receivers, and neither McKenzie, or McCloud make the cut.

Prediction time: Who are your Surprise Cuts? They happen every year, although I feel like this roster is more set than it usually is by this time in preseason.

Once they finish their move to Vegas, they can include drunken, whoremongering, gambling addicts to that.

Looking at this, I think there are still some battles ensuing. I doubt they have a final decision on how many WR/RB/TE they carry. I could certainly see them carrying four RBs. Beane has mentioned on more than one occasion the possibility of only carrying five WRs. They still have Long as the #2 center. But, Feliciano covered Morse in preseason game one, and Long played guard, and both did decent jobs in those positions. I have a hard time believing that Yeldon is fourth in depth. I doubt NCB is entirely settled. Or #2CB, for that matter. If Kevin Johnson took #2CB, would they use Wallace as NCB? Could KJ take NCB? Lots of people were pretty happy with the Nsekhe-LT/Ford-LG combo. Was that really only to move Feliciano to center for PS game one? Sure, but who will be The Surprise Cuts? They happen every year. Maybe it deserves its own thread?

Why do you hate America?

Not to take anything away from Teller, but that clip shows him pushing back a second-string linebacker, who is not in front of the ball, and who is 80 pounds lighter than him.

I think we would all do ourselves, and discussions such as these, a favor if we would draw the distinction between hating the person, and hating the player. I don't think anyone here hates Peterman the person. I'm sure he's a fine dude. Whatever. Lots of people on here do hate the player, though. Personally, once he was out of here, the hatred was gone. Lousy players on other teams don't bother me at all. But, I sure didn't like him when he was here, because I thought he was a fraud, and I don't like frauds, especially when they're wearing a Bills uni. As far as being bored goes, I guess I was getting a little bored with Tyrod, but there are worse things than boredom. I was at that Chargers game when Peterman crapped the bed so spectacularly, it set records. It made me sick to my stomach. Hard not to hold that against a player.

That's a great point. He really was spectacular at failing.