Stanley Lombardi

Spin scum any way you can...you still get scum.

19 & Oh, Buff uh low.

Cablelady and #89. Class and grace are in short supply everywhere. We need them more than they need us.

I met OJ Simpson, walking down the 2nd floor hallway at Lockport Memorial Hospital. He was alone, visiting kids in the hospital. He was dressed in a tailored 3-piece suit and I was surprised by how stocky and strong he seemed. I must have figured that anybody that fast could not carry that weight. I just said, "Hi, OJ!" He had a big smile and a big hello as he walked by. He was a flat-out impressive human being, I thought, until years later I found out he is just another murderer.

Dean, Dean, I really don't deserve such adulation! And your attempt at humor, lame as it was--it ceased to be funny sometime prior to the 5th grade for most of us-- was brave of you, considering the onslaught that your puny ego is undergoing as you attempt to revise your miserable past!

Ah, yes--Thee Olde "I'm objective because I liked them both" ploy. This ploy was the greatest cowardice of all in the days of the Great Buffalo QB Debate. Pathetic. The revision of history concerning this old debate is its greatest legacy. I fall down laughing every time I hear one of these Johnson lovers contort himself into a pretzel to save his face.

They didn't really hate Flutie at first. That only happened when they needed a smokescren to cover their embarassment over choosing RJ in The Great Buffalo QB Debate. When it became apparent that Johnson was a loser, they tried to take the focus off their footbal stupidity by making Flutie's personality the issue. Most of these Flutie choices in this thread are not about Flutie, our last winner, but about the losers on this board. They're still running the old misdirection play. It's been so long ago that most of them have now convinced themselves it was about personality from the start. It wasn't. So now we've added "self-deluded" to "stupid." Have at it, Johnson lovers!

Favorite--Joe D. Worst--Billy Joe Hobert

Sorry, bflodan. What a loss that would be. April is a great coach and leader. His enthusiasm is conveyed to the players, unlike loudmouths like Krumrie and, in an earlier day, Dickerson.

Bobby April.

According to the Track and Field News website, Moorman's best time in the 110 high hurdles was around the 250th best time in 2005. There were approximately 114 individual hurdlers (some had multiple performances which exceeded his best) ahead of him: http://www.iaaf.org/statistics/toplists/in...al=A/index.html The same website puts his 400 meter hurdle time around the 225th best performance of 2005: http://www.iaaf.org/statistics/toplists/in...al=A/index.html Now unless you can squeeze the numbers 250 and 114 into 50 ( "Both of those times easily place him in the top 50 in the world for any given year," you said above) it seems that you should be mouthing your apology to me, just after you take the crow feathers out of your mouth! You guys are way too easy to beat. You bore me. Bring back the armpit farts, jzmack, but leave the facts alone. The facts just made you look really, really ignorant. Do you practice this "talking out of your ass" trick (as you mentioned above) every night, like you've been practicing it in this thread? Your dedicated practice has made you world-class at this trick, "easily in the top 50 in any given year!" To quote one of your posts in this thread: "I wouldn't call gettin worked up, i'd call trying to heighten the situation... ie.) half of the crap i say on PPP when Holcomb's Arm is talking. My object is to make this person continuously make an ass out of himself/herself." You've made an ass out of yourself. I'm embarassed to see anybody get his head handed to him like you just did.

No ignorance, my friend. Brian Moorman is flat-out fast, and I said so. But he has not taken it to anything near an international level, which is the level this thread has been speaking about. I have a feeling that Brian Moorman would be the first one to double over in laughter if you are thinking of comparing his 110 high-hurdle ability to Olympic-calibre hurdlers. Brian Moorman is fast compared to the Buffalo Bills, but slow compared to the world. That was my thesis--that football players are only big fish because they compete in a relatively small pond. Thus, you have unwittingly gone a long way towards proving my thesis, as have most of the replies to this topic. So, thankyou, jzmack. Thankyou...one and all. Now, jzmack, who's "proving some ignorance?"

Wow! Upsetting your cherished assumptions was great fun! But the cat does get tired of toying with half-dead mice after awhile. Not one of you has pointed to any recent American team victory internationally, which is exactly what my point was from the start... So, sayonara for now. But before I go, you guys have proved one thing. While the American athlete is an also-ran internationally, the American intellect, if represented by your replies, can't even find its way to the starting line. Your replies have descended to the intellectual level of armpit farts. But armpit farts are also great fun. So, thanks!

We're a non-factor in hockey, haven't won in baseball, have seen our "best athletes in the world" from the NBA embarassed annually for years and years now. I would call all of these facts. Which of these facts am I not fathoming? Deion Sanders as a striker is conjecture. Brian Moorman is a fast punter, but never appeared on anything other than a division 2 or 3 college level in track. These are figments. I fathom facts, and you fathom figments. But we both fathom.

I got out the microscope and the binoculars, smokinandjokin, but I've yet to locate a winner in your very laborious post. A whole bunch of promises and excuses, but the trophies seem to be on somebody else's shelf. The rules, the tournament set-up, guarantees, rankings, our great junior varsity squad...but no trophy.

Thanks! The topic was meant to place our footbal heroes in a proper athletic perspective. When the American athlete goes against the world, he is shown to be mediocre. No one has refuted that premise in the replies so far. There has been bluster, chest-thumping, conjecture, and (most of all) excuses--but no refutation. I do think that we as football fans should understand the very small pool of talent that our "stars" compete against. It's akin to competing to be all-league in a talent market the size of Buffalo vs. a talent market the size of L.A. or New York. Questions like this interest me about sports and culture. If they don't interest you, then just beat your man-boobs like the rest of 'em! And go on to the next topic about the subtleties of the off-tackle slant! Or the ever-enduring fascination with whom we should select in the 4th round... I'm also here for fun--and I'm enjoying it as you twits bring forward one weak, pathetic reply after another!

You boys seem to enjoy being the world's B word!

If you had read my initial post, I was positive about our our international track teams. It was the big-$$ sports I was mocking. Welcome aboard. Before I leave, I would like to let you know (any friend would, to keep you from further public embarassment) that gold "medal" is spelled with a 'd.' We lead the world in over-hyped athletes--and in the least bang for the educational buck!

Oh, where did I put my world atlas? Can you make a list of the international competitions our "greats" have won? Don't you see that the rest of the world counts wins, while you are counting pipe dreams. Dream on. USA wins lately = zero. Kelly's excuses = (nobody but USA apologists care).

Thanks for your thoughtful reply, Pollyanna. But we have taken our very best into these situations and have not only gotten beat, but hammered. Then we regrouped and got hammered again.

You mean except for the fact that in almost every sport, the Americans are the guys who get beat?

I'm an avid Bills fan, but I'm also a fan of international, Olympic-type sports. The other day at work a guy said that the only sport the USA is good at any more on the world stage is football. I said that's because football is not on the world stage... Our golfers get blown away in the Ryder Cup (or whatever it's called where we annually get taken apart by the Europeans). Our basketball 'dream teams" win internationally, but only in their dreams. Our baseball could not win an international tournament that began last year. Our soccer doesn't win Our hockey doesn't win. I don't know who our tennis players are anymore. Track still does well, but not great. Our "great" football athletes are competing against the fewest people in the world for their positions. If we started to open it up to international competition, our "world's greatest athletes" would be selling shoes, or crack, in Des Moines or Kansas City... "Impossible," we said about our basketball players, but now they are the world's B word. Half of Samoa seems to be playing nose tackle in the NFL, and they just heard about the sport yesterday. Think about this, provincial American slobs and wimps, when you diss soccer players, track athletes, et. al.-- if the entire world cared about football, our hero Nate Clemen$ (or Clement$ or Clement or however he wants it spelled/pronounced) would likely be playing semi-pro in Peoria. Big fish in a small pond.

"Good" is not confined to any color. Cablelady, as always, gets it.

"Men on the average are taller than women" is not racist. We are making progress.

Not necessary. Just stop writing what color a person happens to be. It's so simple, but you guys just can't seem to break the addiction. Keep your hair.