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91 to 149 is 58 picks. with 32 teams and 32 picks per round, 58 picks is nearly two full rounds back. What am I missing here? Reminds me of Muhammad Sanu

TP is a physically dominant player whom would help Tyrod excel and excel himself. This is a no brainer I can;t believe the Browns let him walk.

Thats my good friends cousin!!! seriously!!!!

When Spygate broke, some of the Eagles now believed they had an answer for a question that had vexed them since they lost to the Patriots 24-21 in Super Bowl XXXIX: How did New England seem completely prepared for the rarely used dime defense the Eagles deployed in the second quarter, scoring touchdowns on three of four drives? The Eagles suspected that either practices were filmed or a playbook was stolen. "To this day, some believe that we were robbed by the Patriots not playing by the rules ... and knowing our game plan," a former Eagles football operations staffer says. --------- ESPN reports that the Patriots had a more "effective cheating method" -- notably a "low-level Patriots employee" would steal opponents play sheets. From the OTL report: In fact, many former New England coaches and employees insist that the taping of signals wasn't even the most effective cheating method the Patriots deployed in that era. Several of them acknowledge that during pregame warm-ups, a low-level Patriots employee would sneak into the visiting locker room and steal the play sheet, listing the first 20 or so scripted calls for the opposing team's offense. ESPN also reports the "practice became so notorious" that opposing coaches would put out fake play sheets for the Patriots to snag. And the Patriots, according to OTL, would have employees "rummage through" opponents' hotels. Numerous former employees say the Patriots would have someone rummage through the visiting team hotel for playbooks or scouting reports. It wasn't just former Patriots coaches and players who spoke to ESPN about the matter: a former competition committee member says the Patriots were a consistent topic of discussion. A former member of the NFL competition committee says the committee spent much of 2001-06 "discussing ways in which the Patriots cheated," even if nothing could be proved

[Marshall] Faulk says the Rams installed new plays for the game against the Patriots, and that the Patriots seemed to be so perfectly prepared for them that Faulk believes they must have used espionage. “I understand Bill is a great coach,” Faulk said. “But No. 13 [Kurt Warner] will tell you. Mike Martz will tell you. We had some plays in the red zone that we hadn’t ran. . . . And a couple of plays on third down that we walked through also . . . And they created a check for it. It’s just little things like that. It’s either the best coaching in the world when you come up with situations that you had never seen before. Or you’d seen it and knew what to do.” ----------- "It was hard to swallow because I always felt something happened but I didn't know what it was and I couldn't prove it anyway," Martz told ESPN in July, during an interview in his summer cabin in the Idaho mountains. "Even to this day, I think something happened." __________ Martz told La Canfora that he has his “suspicions” about the Patriots videotaping or watching the Rams’ walk-through but added “it’s not something I really worry about or think about.” ---------------- In fact, in the years after the Patriots defeated the Rams in Super Bowl XXXVI -- a game in which the upstart Pats were heavy underdogs against "The Greatest Show on Turf" -- then-Rams coach Mike Martz told ESPN he was "deeply suspicious of whether the Patriots had videotaped the walk-through or his team's practices before the Super Bowl." According to the report, after the Spygate scandal broke in 2007, Martz returned a call from Commissioner Roger Goodell and during a five-minute conversation Goodell sounded "panicked" about the possibility of a wide-ranging investigation to the Patriots' videotaping habits. Martz said the commissioner asked him to write a statement saying that he was satisfied with the NFL's Spygate investigation, had no reason to believe the Patriots cheated, and asking everyone to move on. "He told me, 'The league doesn't need this. We're asking you to come out with a couple lines exonerating us and saying we did our due diligence,'" Martz told ESPN in July. Martz added that Goodell told him, "If it ever got to an investigation, it would be terrible for the league." Still, despite having more questions, Martz agreed that a congressional investigation "could kill the league," and he wrote a statement that night that he was "very confident there was no impropriety" and that it was "time to put this behind us." Not surprisingly, Martz remains skeptical. At the time, he says Goodell "told me to take him at his word. ... It was hard to swallow because I always felt something happened but I didn't know what it was and I couldn't prove it anyway. Even to this day, I think something happened." Are you really that dense? The Pats listen to both the offensive and defensive coaches radios. Thereby being able to know what plays are being called on both sides of the ball.

former Panthers general manager Marty Hurney, who was with Carolina when the Panthers lost, 32-29, to New England in Super Bowl XXXVIII. Hurney, who is now a radio talk show host in Charlotte and ESPN NFL Insider, has been suspect of the Patriots for a long time. "There isn't a day that goes by since [then] that I haven't questioned ... that there were some things done that might have been beyond the rules that may have given them a three-point advantage,'' Hurney said during his radio show, per ESPN. "And I can't prove anything, and that's why I'm very angry. And the anger has come back over the last couple of days that commissioner Roger Goodell decided to shred all of the evidence after Spygate because I think there were a lot of things in there that would bring closure to a lot of people." "There are people who swear to me that the Patriots taped our practice down in Houston during Super Bowl week," Hurney said. "I can't prove it. I don't know. And I hate talking like this because I feel like a bad loser, but it just gnaws at you and this latest incident brings it back up." ------------------- The Panthers now believe that their practices had been taped by the Patriots before Super Bowl XXXVIII in 2004. “Our players came in after that first half and said it was like [the Patriots] were in our huddle,” a Panthers source says. During halftime -- New England led 14-10 -- Carolina’s offensive coordinator, Dan Henning, changed game plans because of worries the Patriots had too close a read on Carolina’s schemes. And, in the second half, the Panthers moved the ball at will before losing 32-29 on a last-second field goal. “Do I have any tape to prove they cheated?” this source says. “No. But I’m convinced they did it.” ------------------------ Today’s ESPN report mentions specifically the belief among the Panthers that their practices had been taped prior to Super Bowl XXXVIII, and that offensive coordinator Dan Henning changed their game-plan at halftime. “Our players came in after that first half and said it was like [the Patriots] were in our huddle,” a Panthers source told ESPN. “Do I have any tape to prove they cheated?. No. But I’m convinced they did it.” ----------- there seems to be a feeling among many in Carolina that New England taped the Panthers’ practices before Super Bowl XXXVIII. Witherspoon said in an interview on WFNZ 610 The Fan that he and his teammates suspected the Patriots of spying on them. “It does make you wonder,” Witherspoon said. “We all sat there and said, ‘How do they know what we’re doing? This is ridiculous.’ . . . It can’t be possible. There’s no way they knew this was coming. But they did.” -------------- former Carolina Panthers’ fullback had this to say about the Panthers loss to the Patriots in Super Bowl XXXVIII. ““Can I prove they cheated? No. But deep down in my heart, I think they did,” Hoover said. Hoover said the Panthers were shocked by the way the Patriots knew their offense in the first half, and so they made wholesale changes at halftime, and in the second half the Patriots didn’t know what was coming. “At halftime, we changed our whole offensive game plan, and that’s one of the advantages of having that long intermission,” Hoover said. “How did they know what we were doing? The play in the second half was a lot different. We were able to put a lot more points on the board and I think that’s a part of it.”” --------------------

But its not non-impact. It did have an impact. Those penalties cause for a replay of 2nd down instead of 10 yard penalty and 2nd down. That ONE call could have changed the outcome of the SB - and changed NFL history forever. Saying it was non-impact is not right

The Pats have ALWAYS cheated at neutral sites. Where have you been? Plus, that excuse MIGHT work for another franchise. But not the cheaters. They have lost all credibilty and all benefit of the doubt. In New England, where there is smoke, there was already an enormous fire and burnt everything but they call Serv-Pro not the Fire Dept.

I thought you ment Long the OG. http://www.sbnation.com/2017/2/5/14518320/super-bowl-2017-penalty-atlanta-falcons-facemask-new-england-patriots Here is a link to the video. In that instance the hold does look worse than it looked on the replay Sunday Night. I have seen more egregious holds go uncalled very regularly however. In the link you can also see the facemask tackle. As I state above, an offensive played can legally stiff arm a defender in the facemask and it is 100% legal. It is illegal when the runner grabs or twists the facemask. The runners fingers get caught up in the facemask but you can see clearly his hand is open - ie - not grabbing. This should not have been a penalty on Sanu. The clear, obvious, facemask on the defender should have been called. However you are still missing the entire point. if there were three flags on the play, offensive holding, offensive facemask, and defensive facemask, the result would have been the same===== offsetting penalties, replay 2nd down. Saying that "they both face masked each other and it was a good non-call" is simply incorrect as it would have resulted in a replay of 2nd down instead of moving the Falcons 10 yards back and out of FG range - thus forcing them to throw, etc etc etc

The Pats werent able to steal the Falcons radio signal until that TO at the end of the 3rd where Matt Ryan had issues with his headset 28-3 at that moment. 35-28 final. The helmet came off when it hit the field. Chris long wasn't called for holding. It was their tackle. Yes he had his arm to the outside but the defender was bull rushing him, not trying to get around the OTs left side, therefore not a hold Also the NFL changed the rule for bubble screen blocking and I believe the WR cannot engage before the ball is caught, regardless as to where on the field the WR is blocking. I have seen it called on WRs multiple times this season when they were blocking at or behind the LOS.

those most shocking miss was the two handed face mask on the flacons guy. that no call should have canceled out a weak holding call on the falcons which, would have kept the falcons in FG range. with the FG made the Falcons win. I forget if it was the TD or the 2 pt at the end of the game but it was a bubble screen to the near side fo the field. SHould have been PI because the other WRs started blocking before the catch was made. Its 100% legal for a ball carrier to stiff arm a defenders face mask.

How come no one is talking about the real scandel??? That is..... 28-3 Flacons up. 2 mins left in the 3rd Q. Matt Ryan's earpiece goes out, calls time out. Falcons absolutely destroying in all facets of game, at that exact moment, turns into a joke of a team that gets steamrolled. Great blocking turns into no blocking. Great pass rush turns into no pass rush. Perfect coverage turns into Leodis McKelvin coverage. All=at=that-exact-moment. Sure sometimes momentum swings but it usually happens over the course of some plays - not during an ill-timed "equipement malfunction" Final 35-28 Pats. Breaking every record known to man to make the comeback. Sorry but its too unbelievable. Especially when the Pats have been caught cheating before and have numerous allegations of not only blocking other teams radio signals but LISTENING IN ON THEM!!!!!! O and it just so happens that the OCs playbook vanished and someone from the Boston Area was spying on their practice with a Drone..... Largest comeback in SB history was 10 points. a 25 point comeback is top 5 in NFL history. All after some radio troubles. Patriots have been accused of listening in and blocking other teams communications for this entire millenia. They have been caught cheating twice spanning this entire millenia. Caught twice - not cheated twice, CAUGHT twice. Why would you assume that was the only time they cheated!?!?! That would be stupid of you. It was almost like the Pats wanted to win one honestly. Refusing to use their cheating methods. Then when their Onsides kick attempt failed, they said F it, and started cheating. Tap the headsets, know their plays, and come back. This isn't a stretch. At this point, given their history, I'd say its likely.

They also haven't won ANY Super Bowls if you discount the ones where they were caught CHEATING RED HANDED.

Thats not false at all. you seem to be in denial.

OK, so this team has gotten caught cheating twice now, in two different ways, spanning more than a decade........... Why do you think that A) they only cheated twice, and not 3, 4, or 10 different ways and B) Still aren't cheating in some other way??? Its obvious that the punishments weren't big enough deterrents, so why stop?

Yes knowing the other teams signals does help you win.... The second game - he had 236 yards and 2 TDs. AKA the kind of game Bills fans are getting out of TT, and want to replace him with someone else. That is also the game where one Eagle defender was recorded saying, and I'm paraphrasing here because I don;t remember the quote exactly, "Man, they knew exactly when we were going to blitz, they knew exactly what coverage we were going to be in. Man it was surreal, it was like they were in our defensive huddle with us" I'm sorry but barely winning two SBs on last second FGs, Whilst knowing your opponents plays ahead of time, is not impressive to me. In fact I find it quite embarrassing. They should have won by 40 if they knew the other teams plays. All that proves in Brady is a better cheater than Cassell. PLus you lost Randy "Push-Off" Moss in 2008. Also if you start using complete sentences I will have an easier time deciphering what you are intending to say.

11-5 with Matt Cassell and 3-1 this year. Thats 14- 6. Whats Brady's career record? LIkely very similar.

I truly believe they are still cheating is some way or another. Its not hard to cover slants and outs. Do you really think that the greatest football minds in the world, collectively over 17+ years, haven't been able to stop a slant or an out vrs the Patriots?? The Pats O is so simple. They don't do anything complex. Their OL never misses an assignement. It is unnatural. It really is. I've been saying it since 2001, And when Spygate broke is ALL made sense. People think they stopped, I think they picked up the pace. Found a better way to do it, and amped it up. Its the only explanation that makes sense. And the accusations have been there too. The headsets of opponents going out at critical moments of the games, stolen playbooks, eaves dropping on the opponents radio communications, Brady's helmet radio staying on during the plays..... Its all right there out in the open but people just ignore it. Strange

I don't understand your post.

His legacy, to me and it should be to a lot more people, is that of a worthless cheater who has been caught cheating in EVERY SEASON they won a Super Bowl. IMO they would have NEVER WON any of those superbowls without cheating. The first two aren't even a stretch in me saying that. Brady held those teams back and they barely squeaked by whilst knowing the other teams plays beforehand. He is nothing but a worthless cheater who wouldn't be anyone with out the cheating. He is the Bernie Madoff of football. PS the Patriots record without brady is just as good as it is with him.

Dareus could also go but he is worth keeping, therefore its likely they do trade him

Watkins. With no qb he provides us little value and he aint resigning here. Let him go elsewhere and get a 2nd or 3rd rounder which whaley can waste on a backup tackle (ala the marshawn trade)

Then we should be abls to too

With Gov Cuomo wanting to legalize weed in the state it can only help the public accept these "victims" of drug addictions. Plus they are great at football Personally I think tough A** coaches are good for these kind of players. So while McDermott may not like them he is probably the best guy for them.

Thats my point. IF IF IF Whakey drafts a GOOD rookie QB, he stays. IF IF IF he drafts a guy like EJ Manual or Jared Goff, I could see him being fired. And I would 100% agree that he earned it. (what, 6 or 7 years in the front office and no QB after two failed draft picks AND letting the best QB you have had in over a decade walk, sorry but thats a fireable resume)