Dan Gross

Actually, Saban knew about the condition. It's really an indictment of the draft experts who called him the "steal/bargain of the draft," and an indication that maybe sometimes the people in the front offices know more about situations than the draft experts...

In the same article he notes that he felt McCargo would have been there at the Bills' 2nd round pick. Looking like he was wrong twice, and allowed his team to convince him otherwise. There's one of the key differences between him and TD, IMO...TD would have ignored the advice...of course he probably would have taken Moss at #8 as well.

Or you could take Whitner's word for it.

Oh, there have been a few. Week/month/year-long timeouts are not out of the question either....

Do you mean this? A "C", which ties us for the lowest grade with 1/3 of the NFL teams. Highest grade was B+

Too bad you don't have the power to do anything about it.

Whaddya mean? Your Bills' history started Saturday when they picked you.

I know, after reading some of the insightful commentary here, that I could use a fifth. They didn't win with me, as I didn't watch a second of it.

This was the general tone of the Howard Simon show today....

And they can all be watched on the Philly Jumbo-tron before the game tomorrow I'm sure...

Then what early pick did they trade away in order to load up on their secondary? Just trying to understand what you are saying...

Who let Crayonz out of "Off the Wall?" It's obvious the folks here aren't ready for him...

What did they "trade away" to get Whitner??

You and Pooj...

Yeah, but there seems to be a large perceived "gap" when it comes to "day 1" versus "day 2" players. Williams and Simpson were both rated "Day 1" players.

Again, you can say we "reached" with McCargo and Whitner, but then you also have to give us credit for the "steals" (Youboty, Simpson, and Williams...all ranked much higher than we took them)....

But yet they get just about the highest grade he gave out this year...go figger...

I also heard him pronounce Roy as if Derek was related to Patrick (Roo-ah).

Happy birthday Nick and Steve!

Didn't he also say that the choice between Manning and Leaf was a "toss-up?"

Interesting how the Bears picking up Manning at 42 (24 spots ahead of where he predicted Manning would go) is "addressing a need" while the Bills picking the best available safety (16 spots ahead of where he predicted Whitner would go) when our depth chart contain the much-maligned Bowen and Wire as a "reach."

Interesting, so Kiper has Detroit taking a safety with their first pick, he concedes that they have a need there but yet it's "inconceivable" to think that, with Huff not available, Detroit may have picked Whitner and so the Bills taking him there is a "stretch..." These draft guys are so hung up on their overall rankings that they lose track of how teams will fit their needs... You say that "well, he had McCargo lasting until 62" but he also had Youboty disappearing before our 2nd round pick. Maybe we should have traded up to pick him instead....

Except if TD were here he would have taken Sinorice Moss with the #8....

Remember when we couldn't figure out which receiver named "Jonathan Smith" we drafted? :wacky:

Geez, Joe, I thought you were a miserable SOB sober, but you've managed to kick it up a notch....Is this how you always "celebrate" weekends alone?