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Josh Kaddu - OLB 6'3/239 Keenan Robinson - ILB 6'3/242 Ronnell Lewis - OLB 6'2/253 Nix has to get a LB'er.

1. - Kuechly 2. - Kirkpatrick 3. - Tannehill

Or a legitimate LT as David Diehl is terrible and started the season as a LG. Trading up for an OT is absolutely ridiculous, and I hope and pray that Nix is smarter then that. Draft Kuechly @ 10 and than draft Josh Robinson @ 41 and this defense gets a primetime LB'er and the best off-man/zone CB in the draft. Stack the defense.

The lockout was more disruptive to defenses than offenses, and for obvious reasons this effect was strongest earlier in the season.

Fitz played well at the beginning of the year because of the lockouts effect on defenses in this league. Here is one of many examples to back this point: I feel that this year the teams that prospered were able to exploit defensive misalignments and coverage breakdowns that were endemic early in the season as a result of the reduced practice time caused by the lockout. I'd suggest that this was partly responsible for the explosion of passing across the league. Now to my example. Wes Welker - After five games Welker had 740 yards, an average of 148 yards per game, in the remaining eleven weeks he averaged 75 yards per game, which extrapolates to about 1200 yards, which is close to the sort of numbers he normally puts up. You can NOT deny the effect that the lockout had. Defenses got better, teams got better, the Bills have Ryan Fitzpatrick and went 1-8 down the stretch

Really? You actually belive what you just typed? So the Bills would have won more than 6 games if the Oline was better, is your argument? Thats hilarious to the point of absurdity. So how many wins does an offensive line get your football team? How many losses are they responsible for? What about when that unit ranks as one of the top units in the league? What about when your starting Rb is leading the league in rushing before he gets injured and your backup comes and the run game is still effective? Lets not blame the real problem. A QB who is a bottom feeder in the league, who is on his 3rd team in his 7th going on 8th year. A QB who led the league in INT's? Couldnt be him? Couldnt be a defense that couldnt even get PRESSURE on Qb's. It must be the must productive unit on the entire team. Makes sense!!!! Lets waste a top 10 pick on a OT. Instead of addressing the defense or playmakers. Brilliant.

YOu have got to be kidding me. That article was written in August of 2011. BEFORE THE SEASON STARTED. What a joke. Here is what is currently being said about our Oline: http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/02/23/ranking-the-2011-offensive-lines-part-2/ http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/02/21/2011-pass-blocking-efficiency-guards-and-centers/ http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/02/20/2011-pass-blocking-efficiency-offensive-tackles/ THis offensive line is really good, and so many people grossly undervalue them.

Which of my posts lacked quality and was off-base? Should say something that the thread has over 200 replies and is 11 pages long. Only the tebow thread had more action.

Bwah, really? You and others gave clear evidence of what? How did you prove ANYTHING with any point that you made? The Giants have "some of the best Olineman in the league? Really? who? Which of the Bills starting lineman is considered one of the worst in the league? Its ok, I get it now. Your name is "fear the beard" and clearly shows your bias. Somehow its the fault of 5 players on the oline that finished at the top of the league in almost EVERY statistical category, and not that of the QB who was and always has been a bottom feeder in every statisitical measure? Thats not logical thinking by any sense of the imagination. You think for one second that I care what your opinion of me is, when you take the stance that I jsut pointed out boldly and accurately? Keep thinking that I will lose a single wink of sleep because "fear the beard" wont engage in debate with me. You havent proven a single thing to me, and I can tell that you probably NEVER will. You want to throw around words like "moron" yet take the stance that Fitz is somehow some magical player, that comes into his own, while on his 3rd team in 7 years, and a statistical bottom feeder, who has only won 6 games in one season as a starter. A guy who has 68 tds for his career and 63 ints with 32 career fumbles (15 lost), giving him a TO margin of 68 tds/78 total TO's. A guy who avg's 188.6 yards a game, on 35.6 attempts, whos career completion % is 59.2 and an astounding 5.5 ypa. This is the guy that you think is a "franchise QB"? What planet do you live on? Yeah, Im the moron. Furthermore, when someone refers to an article that was written in the first week of November, that is as laughable as I can even think. When comparing what happens over the course of a season, you dont cherry pick an article from November especially when the debate is happeining in February of the following year. Completely laughable and will NEVER hold valididty with me. That article proves absolutely NOTHING.

I have ZERO disdain for this board, dont know where you got that at? How do I not share in discussions on this board? My very first thread topic is now 11 pages long, I have also contributed my opinions to quite a few other discussions on this board. It took me 3 days of being on this board to realize what kind of poster you are. You try your hardest to bait other posters into assinine arguments in which you have zero credibility (based on the posts I have read of yours). Its quite comical, and your lack of knowledge seeps through my computer screen. So until you make a valid point, or a thought provoking post, dont expect me to acknowledge your existance. I like this board and most seem knowledgable, its you though dude, that contributes nothing but venom and misinformation. Keep up the good work (sorry, I just threw up a little).

Your analysis is garbage nice try.

First off, there isnt a single intelligent idea on BBMB. Second, who are you? Not one person on BBMB has ever "shot me down", no idea what you are talking about? Again, that board is completely lowest common denominator.

With the 43 over being a one gap and spill defense which is predicated on forcing plays outside of the hashes, I think this makes the pick at 10 a no-brainer if Coples is on the board. I think sometimes people think that because we are looking for a pass-rusher that miraculously it will take the team sack numbers through the roof, when actually this defense isnt ran that way. The main purpose is to create pressures on every play and attack the playside/strongside, and force mistakes into the zone coverage schemes. This defense is more TO oriented than it is sack oriented. Upshaws biggest weakness IMO is his inability to shed blockers once he is engaged, Coples with his length doesnt have this problem and will be a mismatch consistently. Also consider that Dareus and Williams will free up Coples to just free range and make plays, because one or the other or both will require double teams. The most important factor to me with Coples is that he is athletic enough to stand up and also big enough to slide inside on 3rd downs to man the DT spot and we can have a "NASCAR" style speed rush on 3rd down in the vein of what the Giants do with Tuck and Canty. I would lose my mind if we could get Coples at 10, and it would immediately take a unit that has question marks, to being one of the top 3-5 in the league.

Mayock is good, but I dont think he should be held in the regard that he is by some people. He watches the same film as any fan, he doesnt have access to the "All 22" like coaches and GM's have. I would take what Mayock says with a grain of salt as well. I dont know how he can make that claim before the combine and individual workouts. So many of the "pundits" and "talking heads" always misconstrue readers to believe hype forgetting that Coples and UNC as a whole went through a change this year in philosophy with a new coach at the helm. Scheme changes and coaching ability can disrupt a player in so many ways. I think that is why people assume Coples doesnt have a consistant motor. Once the combine rolls around, Coples is gonna blow the doors off the place with his measurables. He is 6'6 281 with 10 inch hands, 34 inch arms, and an amazing 80 inch wingspan. When your ceiling is Julius Peppers and Ingrams is probably Elvis Dumerville, it wouldnt/shouldnt take a rocket scientist to see the upside and make the pick. If by some miracle Coples is on the board at 10, I dont think there is anyway that Nix wont pull the trigger. sidenote: I am not a fan at all of Upshaw in this defense.

A best receiver in the league debate is not what this thread was about, and to pin-point one or two or three players as the best at their position is Ok if you are talking about a QB. With receivers, you just cant do it. There are a plethora of players that can be argued for as the BEST reciever in the league, but its a debate that will NEVER have a clear cut winner. I agree that Fitzgerald/C. Johnson/A. Johnson are in the discussion, but from a pure productivity stand point Welker is far and away the more productive reciever. Now does that mean he is the best? Certainly not, but again he has to be in the discussion. I could name 10-15 other receivers that could be in this conversation as well. Which is why I say that they are a dime a dozen. They can be found from the 2nd round all the way through UDFA status (same with RB's) and hold better value than a reciever that was drafted as a 1st rounder. The Lions had to miss and miss hard on Charles Rogers (2nd overall/2003), Roy Williams (7th overall/2004) and Mike Williams (10th overall/2005) before they finally struck gold and were handed Calvin Johnson. Even though he was the consensus best player in the 2007 draft the Raiders completely CHOKED and drafted Jamarcus Russell. That is 3 times that the Lions completely whiffed on WR. It is entirely to easy to do, so why take the chance in the 1st round (which is what my posts are referring to). IMO, it would be a horrible decision to EVER draft a WR in the first round, especially by a team that is so devoid of talent in the defensive front 7.