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So only individuals can commit extortion? Good grief, you are dumber than toast.
And yes, a "fine" levied for doing absolutely nothing wrong, paid under threat of even more serious financial consequences, is extortion.
Check, check and check. By your own definition its extortion. Mainly because you defined extortion and the act of levying a fine clumsily, but the point stands.
You're forgetting the aspect where the government official applies pressure by suggesting that accused settle now for a smaller sum rather than go to court at great expense and possibly greater penalty than the original settlement offer. In effect the system is set up that by choosing to defend yourself on principle you will almost certainly incur greater expense than were you to settle the matter with a lump sum. If you're accused, one way or another you pay up or they shut you down. Your recourse is either to pay several thousand now or pay even more later.
So only individuals can commit extortion? Good grief, you are dumber than toast.
And yes, a "fine" levied for doing absolutely nothing wrong, paid under threat of even more serious financial consequences, is extortion.
Much like a Fox News anchor you guys seem to be under the impression that your forcefully stated opinion constitutes fact. A fine is not extortion. But please, tell me more about this government extortion racket that seems to be taking place now. I'd love to hear all about it.
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So you've read it twice and still can't comprehend when something is described as the same or different. Hell, I even used the word DIFFERENCE.
So thanks for confirming you are illiterate as well as an idiot.And thanks for confirming you can't even begin to comprehend the issue being discussed. HINT: the "almost unlimited resources" aren't just for this one $2500 case. But I'm sure the concept of resources allocation doesn't come into play too often in whatever tiny little work you occupy from 9-5 each day.
Fresh meat? Isn't this retard just connor or molson or one of the other clowns that changes their name every six months after the embarrassment becomes too much to take?
Ok, lets see if we can break this down into simple kindergarten terms so that you can understand you claim better. If a person is extorting another person they are using their office to try to obtain money or some other thing of value for personal gain. It's usually done with the threat of physical harm or the destruction of your personal standing.
If this woman was going to the bar and saying pay me x amount of dollars or I'll use the weight of my office to fine you, that would be extortion. A fine is a sum of money imposed for an offense or dereliction. Do you see the difference? So yes claiming that the end game of this "government extortion" is a fine is to equate it to the physical or personal damage done to a person who has been the victim or extortion.
A fine is not extortion. The reason for the fine in this case is unfounded and will be overturned on appeal. There's another difference between a fine and extortion. If someone is extorting money from you, you don't have recourse.
Do you understand now? No?
And I really don't know what you're trying to get at with resource allocation. What, Obama and friends are going to launch a complete takeover or the nation starting with fining a bar?
No, he's his own clown. He'll hang around the board for awhile making a fool of himself and then disappear for a long stretch of time. He doesn't have much of a sense of humor and gets his panties all in a wad far too easily. I sort of treat him as my own little sock puppet.
While I'm sure that the idea of shoving your hand up another man's ass is gives you a hard-on I'm not your sock puppet. Most of the time I just ignore your stupid crap. When I'm not on for long stretches chances are I'm living in the real world, working, taking care of my family, working on papers for school... I'm sorry that your life is so empty that this place is the only thing you have for human contact.
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Not only do you have no idea what Tom is saying, its pretty clear you don't seem to comprehend what you've said either.
Sure, whatever...
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Please do, we are always looking for "fresh meat". I guess in this case, since most Obama supporters are in hiding, idiots here are in a little bit of a shorter supply.
Normally I just ignore you dumb ass. But this is just funny as hell. You really buy that ****? Obama supporters are in hiding? If someone isn't posting in here for a while it's most likely due to the fact that they're living their life in the real world. You know, we have kids, jobs. Some of us work full time while going to school and raising a family. We just don't have time to spend all day on a message board listening to arrogant idiots like you and Tom. I'm sorry that your life is so boring and apathetic that you have live it by proxy on a message board.
Oh, it was a female? Well, someone grab some bacon and have it with the egg on my face. Totally didn't see that coming. The fact that it was a female COMPLETELY changes my point.
Wait. No, it doesn't.
Jesus. If your mind could cross a finish line, it would actually get hugged by a retard.
No, it doesn't change your point, which was stupid anyways. It just proves that you don't even bother to pay attention to what you're reading. But I think I like this new conspiracy theory you're asserting. So besides gaining power by getting everyone hooked on food stamps and government assistance, the government is also running an extortion racket.
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And only in your wacked out mind does the idea of shaking down a small-time pub in NYC for $2500 for no good reason seem like a perfectly okay thing to do.
There is no truly justifiable reason to do this beyond the fact that some fat-ass overpaid NYS government desk jockey -- who spends his time surfing Craigs List -- has found a way to make himself seem somewhat relevant.
We can tell how well you were paying attention while reading this article since you don't even know that this "fat-ass overpaid NYS government desk jockey" was female. Yet you expect to be taken seriously when you claim that this is some sort of government shakedown. You guys are really attached to this "government extortion" thing.
I need to come here more often. You guys are always worth a laugh.
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You're the (*^*&%^$^#that brought up CCM. Again, this whole thing is gets back to your idiotic "correlation does not equal causation, but THIS particular correlation does in this case" that you tried to justify ex post facto with CCM.
Now you're trying to generalize it into more of a statement of "Correlation doesn't equal causation, but causation causes correlation," which is just compounding your stupidity. Yes, I pointed out that car ownership correlates more strongly with gun violence than gun ownership - that was to illustrate your own fallacy to you, of drawing THE CAUSAL RELATIONSHIP you did from CO2 and warming from THE CORRELATIVE RELATIONSHIP you admitted it was.
Then you started in with the bull **** about Sugihara's work, and how it demonstrated that you can determine causation from correlation...which had absolutely nothing to do with your earlier posts on the subject, or anything you're saying now. Again: this is about your idiotic post of "Well, this correlates, and correlation isn't causation, but it so strongly correlates it shows cause." Which again, gets us back to the point that: you're only arguing with your own idiotic self here.
I'm trying to generalize it? No, you're trying to make this about the CCM because you cannot us any type of data mapping to show that a rise in CO2 correlating with a rise in global temperature is illusory correlation. However, you can use data mapping to show illusory correlation between car ownership and gun violence. I've stated this a bunch of times now in this thread and you keep asserting that they are the same. They are not.
I have to hand it to you Tom, no one beats the **** out of their own straw man argument like you.
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Actually I didn't equate those two things; that's where I drew the distinction. Reading Is Fundamental!
The fact that you have no problem with this 'system' as it exists and consider it reasonable and fair for a small business owner who did nothing wrong to be forced to waste time and money defending himself (or just surrender and pay the extortion) against a huge government with near limitless resources (a government the business owner is paying for by the way) shows that a) you've never been within miles of operating a business and seeing this sort of nonsense that comes out of dozens of state government agencies, and b) you're just an idiot.
It must be close to time for another “Why aren’t businesses creating more jobs?!?” thread.
I read what you said again, and my assertion still stands. Only in you wacked out mind does paying a fine equate with having your kneecaps broken. And the fact that you think the government is going to spend it's "almost limitless resources" to collect a 25 hundred dollar fine proves that you a) have no idea how that system works, and b) you are an idiot.
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Still perjury, and technically still an impeachable offense.
And complete bull ****. Beyond complete bull ****, in fact - Ken Starr's investigation should never have had the breadth of scope that it had. How that went from investigating Whitewater to impeaching the president over a blow job is ridiculous.
Tom, you're a history buff aren't you. Do you know if there is any truth to what my college history teacher was claiming? The only thing I've found corroborating his claim is blogs.
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So basically the House impeached Johnson for disagreeing with them, while using his dismissal of a cabinet member without Congressional authorization as a pretext.
Clinton didn't lie to Congress under oath. The allegation was that it was before a grand jury, and even then he was playing word games to be evasive. Not that I really have any desire to defend Bubba, but the bottom line is that he was giving a line of crap over a blow job. Not exactly treason there.
I somehow doubt the framers included the impeachment provisions into the Constitution to remove a president for anything short of things such as outright corruption, abuse of power, looting the treasury for personal gain and treason.
Frankly, Nixon is the only president whose conduct was enough that he should have been impeached and removed from office, and he had the good sense to resign beforehand.
I agree with you on Clinton's impeachment. And you were right there, Clinton lied to a grand jury and not congress. Thank you for correcting me. I also agree with you the Nixon should, and would have been removed from office had he not resigned.
Johnson we could argue about for days. I had a history teacher in college that claimed southern plantation owners would show up at his office and he would make them do things like bark like a dog or cluck like a chicken and if they did this he would pardon them. I've never found anything concrete to corroborate what he was saying, but if that was true I think it would constitute a severe abuse of power and therefore reasonable argument for impeachment.
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So are you ok with legal extortion? What's not to hate in this story.
What I see here is a bar fighting an unfair decision. These are the kinds of hiccups you're going to see in a society where we are trying to ensure equal rights. They want the bar settle now because they know a judge isn't going to enforce their fine. The bar is doing the right thing. This is how the system works.
This is a fine, not extortion. Only in KD's wacked out mind does a fine equate with being dragged out back by a bunch of thugs and having your kneecaps broken. Is the city running an extortion racket by enforcing a fine on people who speed?
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Only in your twisted liberal world would saying "you get what you asked for" qualify as "hate."
What RkFast said.... (I take this position fully acknowledging the possibility that I may be cast in the light of a "hater" by the left-o-center wing nuts who occasionally raise their heads here.)
Yup. Only difference between this and the mob protection money they would have paid a generation ago is now they just close your business instead of breaking your kneecaps if you don't play ball.
But what's more pathetic than the criminals running the scam are the idiots (Bigfatbillsfan being the convenient example in this thread) who think it's totally fine.
And the same idiots would likely be back here trying to explaining how you can't have a successful soul food restaurant with a bunch of crackers working behind the bar.
That's it guys. Get it all out. Let all the feelings out. You can tell yourself it isn't hate. This is a safe place.
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All part of your liberal utopia, NYC. You voted for it...now eat it.
That's it Rk. Let it out. Just let the hate out. Does that feel better now?
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Yeah, I knew I could count on you guys to completely !@#$ me over. What the !@#$ was I thinking?
BF-squared: I have a degree in physics. Specialized in statistical physics. And I have Sugihara's paper on my desktop in front of me. So shut the !@#$ up.
:wallbash:Holy. ****. You. dumb. mother. !@#$er. The CCM is an example I am using, that I am more familiar with, because it is new and quickly becoming widely used and accepted as a viable form of data mapping. The. Point. I. Am. Trying. To. Get. Across. To you're idiotic as is:
You don't need to data map car ownership and insurance sales to know they effect each other. It's a given. But if you did, you would find that the correlation in that point would indicate causation. You don't need CCM to find out that clouds cause rain. But if you did you would find a strong causation to correlation relationship. And you don't need to data map to find that CO2 has a relationship with green house effect. But if you did... And you don't need to use the CCM to data map. There are plenty of other methods available.
Now, can you find a data map (it doesn't even have to be a CCM) that shows a strong causation to correlation between car ownership and gun violence be my guest. But I doubt you will. Therefore your argument that car ownership's correlation with gun violence is the same type of correlation as CO2 with global climate change is a load of ****.
You keep bringing this back to the CCM because you don't have a real argument. So please, enjoy Siguhara's paper. Then come back and try to argue the point instead of running off down a rabbit hole when you don't have a point to be made.
So now, are you a physicist? Or are you so incredibly good at it that you don't even work in the field? And sorry I forgot what your degree was in. I keep forgetting that your sense of self importance dictates that we should know everything you've ever told us.
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You know me. Im a softy for californinans who want to murder cyclists.
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So two kids try to rob a mother at gunpoint, one of them shoots a 13-month old baby in the face, and then this...
I think we would all agree that this is terrible. But did you get the part where they were arrested for murder? That's the tipping point in this case. The stand your ground law was written so vague that Z. was never arrested. Martin's parents thought this wasn't fair and turned the case over to the court of public opinion.
If anything the takeaway from this should be that the stand your ground law needs to be tweaked.
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The little ****head pm'd me too. Mother !@#$ing !@#$ wished me happy birthday.
Wow man, that's !@#$ed up! What the hell is wrong with him!
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That didn't really stop the House from impeaching Andrew Johnson or Bill Clinton.
Andrew Johnson completely undermined the entire plan for reconstruction of the Union while congress was out of session. Clinton lied to congress while under oath.
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You haven't explained anything, except how a new statistical method MIGHT reduce correlation to causation in climate science IF anyone actually applied it. Your entire argument here with respect to global warming is now nothing more than "a theory exists that can reduce correlation to causation, therefore correlation is causation, even though correlation does not equal causation."
Do you really not comprehend how unbelievably dense and completely invalid that is as an argument? Until and unless someone actually applies Sugihara's methods to climate change, you're basically completely full of ****. Again. Still. Of course you can't know anything about that...you don't know **** about science, you majored in sociology.
No, that's not what I've said at all. This does nothing but display your fundamental lack of understanding statistical data points and how a test like CCM is applied. But please continue to chase your own tail. It's fun for me to watch.
What did you major in anyways? Arrogant stupidity? If so, you got your money's worth.
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Now wait just a damn minute...you're the (*^*&%^$^#that said correlation doesn't equal causation, but then said it was compelling evidence of causation, THEN whined when given an example of how ridiculous that was, then said correlation equaled causation if demonstrated by a recently developed statistical method, and are now bitching about others not understanding the difference between example and data?
Forget it you're hopeless. I forgot that when you don't know what you're talking about you go off on these weird diatribes acting like you don't understand because the person isn't able to explain it to you correctly. It's like playing chess with a parrot. No matter how the game goes in the end you knock over the pieces, **** all over the board, and strut around like you're victorious.
Think what you will but being arrogant doesn't make you intelligent.
Whatever dude, I forgot that when you don't know what you're talking about trying to argue out a point
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I never pm'ed him. I did receive a pm once from someone here inviting me to what i guess was a fight at the home opener. That gave me a good laugh
He probably just has you confused with someone else. That's funny though, a fight at the home opener...
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I don't think i've ever started **** with anyone via pm that i recall though i am an old man and quite forget... What were we talking about again?
For the record, Meazza PMed me once. I cannot recall if I responded or not. But it was in no way snide or nasty. Just sent me something as a side note. Perhaps, Joe, you misunderstood what he meant?
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Clear up your own first. Your analogies don't even make sense (people who buy cars buy car insurance? That's not a correlation you have to tease out of data with statistical methods, that's direct causation, you idiot), and your claim that CCM somehow demonstrates causation in global warming is idiotic because no one's yet applied CCM to climate change issues (CCM itself was only published a year ago). That would be a great area of research...for a proper scientist. Too bad you're only a sociologist.
And yes, you are contradicting yourself...you're the one that said correlation doesn't equal causation, then tried to equate correlation and causation. And now you're trying to BS your way out of the hole you dug by referencing research that doesn't exist.
You seem to be confused as to the difference between referencing data and giving an example. If I was referencing data my claim would have been followed by a link to an actual study. The example of car ownership to insurance is also an example. I used one with direct causation to try to make it easy for you to understand.
Also, CCM has been around longer than a year though it has only been published and accepted as a reasonable way to manage data to find causation in the past year or so.
Really dude, let it go. You don't know what you're talking about and your opinion, regardless of how forcefully you state it, does not constitute fact.
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If this was the Bush administration, you could bet the OP would have started about 175 threads related to this issue. Personally I don't give a **** either way but it is entertaining to see how blindly partisan some are.
Regardless of who's administration this happened under it needs to be looked at. Just because I tend to leans more toward the direction that Obama is taking the nation doesn't mean he, or his administration can do no wrong. He !@#$ed up, four people died as a result, he needs to be called out.
I can't believe that this hasn't been posted;
Wow, she sounds just like Yoda. And yes Hilary, it does make a difference. You know what really transpired, you lied about it to the American people. The least you owe us is admission you screwed up.
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If you're "depressed" because you can't get gubmint bennies or even swing a job at the local Pizza Hut, please off yourself.
Wow man, just ...wow. I knew you were a french fry short of a happy meal, but a post like this takes the cake.
If you don't believe in global warming, you're standing in the
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Understanding is knowing the difference between illusory and positive correlation. I don't have to believe anything. The idea that the correlation between ice cream and murder is the same as correlation between CO2 and Climate is crazy at best.
Now I would like you to find a data map proving that the correlation between car ownership and gun violence in not illusory.