TwistofFate

With the stench of Black Monday in the air and many Qbs of the old guard facing uncertainty, it's a moment to reflect on two decades of some really good Qbs. You can't help but to not get a tad bit sentimental or emotional watching some of these end of the year pressers. Philip Rivers...a gamer. Watching him break down in his final presser was moving. A guy who gave "everything I have." Eli Manning...the Giant who toppled the Evil Empire....twice. Facing the end, unsure, miserable...knowing this could very well be it. Ben Roethelisberger....Big Ben...a force, a play maker, Big Guns and big Bombs highlight his career...now injured, abused and a shell of his former self. Drew Brees...Possibly the GOAT no one gives enough credit to. Consistently overshadowed by Rodgers and Brady while quietly shattering record after record. Aaron Rodgers....the Hail Mary King. Consistently stalking the sidelines in GB for years leading his team with pinpoint accuracy and dynamic big play capabilities. Tom....Brady... The Sith apprentice who has terrorized the NFL for two decades. One of the scariest Qbs in history with two minutes to go and the game on the line. We've watched these guys for the better part of two decades in amazement, anger, frustration, and sometimes...with joy. (thanks Eli) We are coming to a close, imo, of one of the best Qbing era's of all time. I look forward to the up and coming Qbs to forge their own destiny's and make history for themselves, but the Qb landscape is going to take a big hit when Titans of old pass the torch. Thanks for the memories! Now let's destroy HOUSTON!!!! GO BILLS!!!

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This is exactly why I can see them drafting CB in round 1 of the draft....or Edge rusher, or LB. Im sure they will be looking at value considering we will be picking so far down, but it wouldn't surprise me at all to see defense get the nod in round 1.

I wouldn't call a 13pt deficit combined over 2 games dominated. We had chances in the end of both games to win. We failed.

It actually reinforced to me, the strides this team made as a unit. This game reminded me of week 1, only this time around is was 2nd stringers out there and they were unable to scrap out a win. I believe the first unit would have dominated the Jets today.

Agree. Complete lack of awareness most of the day and carelessness with the ball.

He did suck, but keep things in perspective. He's with a team of 2s playing against 1s, who actually wanted to win.

Barkley was absolutely horrible. Duke Williams showed some stuff, although dropping a critcal catch. Yeldon should be paired with Singletary. Sweeney should be seeing more playing time than Kroft. Siran had a pretty solid day. All in all, this was pretty much a team of 2nd stringers going against the first string and held their own......except for Barkley....horrible, horrible performance.

Sweeny > Kroft

Barkley is playing terrible.

Man, the officiating in this game is horrendous.

Osu!!! Get er done!

Shocking would be moving up for Chase Young and having an elite edge rusher for years.

His accuracy is crazy good.

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I think his conservative approach is to hide deficiency and limit mistakes.

I agree. This is simply a tune up game just to keep preparations and the week to week grind well lubricated. We don't want a stale out of sync performance next week because of a "bye" week.

How the hell did I misrepresent a stat line??? It is what it is. I didn't condemn Allens performance at all, I simply stated Jones "shredded" it. Someone made the comment it was against Washington. So, as you point out it is one of Allens better performances, and Jones faced the same team. I posted the stat line. You made up an assumption, I did not. I could care less how you try to downplay Jones' performance. His 5td 300+ performance speaks for itself. The rest of your coulda, shoulda, woulda conjecture is meaningless. Ill say it again. Im looking forward to Allen next year and if we are still having these same discussions in year 3, it's time to really re-examine the Qb position. Bottom of the league in passing for two straight years is not where we want to be, and in year 3 with a top 10 franchise Qb, you shouldn't be.

Imo, we are probably in a similar situation as we are now. You never want a team that is polarized. Having a ridiculously good offense and a horrendous defense kind of puts you in the same position we are in now. Instead of praying for 3 and outs or a turn over, we'd be praying for Tds, big runs and catches. We would be focused on clock control and management to keep our own defense off the field and limit the opposing teams opportunities by using our offense as the first line of defense. The only advantage I can see is the league is designed to benefit the offense, so because of that, id say we get 2 more wins than what we have right now. 12-3. If we had a competent offense with what we have already on defense, Im thinking we may have only 1-2 losses this whole season. At this point, 13-2 or better.

And Allen was 160 with 1td and a 110 qbr against the same team at Home. Jones was 352 with 5tds and a 132 qbr on the road.

Here's what drives me nuts. Jones has put on multiple passing clinics this year. He just threw for over 300 and 5tds in his 11th start. In all honesty that is the kind of performance you expect from a franchise guy taken in the top 10. If you really want to compare apples to apples compare their rookie seasons. Jones has already displayed the capability to take over games multiple times. That is very impressive from a rookie. I don't think people really understand what I mean about accuracy. Its more than just his percentage. Its ball placement, throwing receivers open and making anticipatory throws before recievers come out of their breaks. There have been tons of completions that have been made by guys jumping in the dirt, through the air, etc. Does he make some beautiful throws? Absolutely. But they aren't consistent throws. He has a huge arm and relies on it too much. Break down his passes. He waits too long when throwing into tight windows instead of relying on anticipation of where that guy is going to be then delivering. Could he develop that? Sure. But I haven't seen much of it. Where I think he's improved the most is actually reading defenses and knowing where to go with the ball. I think that is his greatest improvement from last year. He just cant connect on those throws on a consistent basis. I actually think people underrate his ability to recognize what he's looking at and where to attack, he's slow through his reads at times but is definitely seeing the field better than last year. It is what it is this year. He's made some growth for sure, but not in the area's I felt were most important....accuracy and consistency. Im also still left wanting a big game from him. An arrival. A statement game to silence critics and doubters. A big 300+ yard game with multiple TDs where he simply puts on a passing clinic and gets in a "zone." Next year is next year. Year 3. If we are having these same arguments this time next year I think its safe to say he's not a franchise guy and most likely has reached his ceiling. I have no doubt they will surround him with even more support than he had this year. It's a make it or break it year next year imo.

4 - 300+ yard games 23 PASSING Tds 2700+ passing yards 62.1 completion percentage 88.9 Qbr In 11 starts... Better than Allen in practically every single statistical category and he's a Rookie on a horrible team. Id call that shredding it.

Agree. Like I've stated previously I believe he's 25% pure magic and 75% leaving much to be desired. I love his personality, work ethic, grit and mentality, im just not even close to being sold on his franchise status. I expect more from a guy drafted 7th and crowned a franchise guy. His accuracy terrifies me. Too many times this year I've watched guys running wide open only to see a wildy inaccurate pass sail away. Im not ask for perfection, im asking for consistency. His biggest knocks coming out of college are still evident, even after nearly two seasons at the pro level. For me, personally, I need that "he's arrived" moment. I look around the league Daniel Jones shredding it, Jackson shredding it, Mahomes shredding it, all making strides puting up monster games and clutch passing performances then look at us and say where are these games from Josh? They just arent there. Especially for a guy you moved up to take at 7th. If he turns out great, ill eat all the crow in the world and admit I was wrong. And that wouldn't be a bad thing because then we finally would have a franchise guy for years to come. That is all I want. Im simply not seeing it.