JerseyBills

This defense is going to be great for a long time. Their core is all signed 3+ years,minus Hughes and Lorax. Kyle too but he's done. Tons of flexibility to add the final pieces this off season..

Thanks. Knew I wasn't crazy. Took the words outta my mouth

Look at NE amount of plays. Then look at their points Defense deserves a standing ovation no matter what happens going forward

No catch.

Let's gooooooooo

I know!! And he has a knack for big plays at big moments

Zay >>>> KB. Alot better. Zay improved ALOT

The numbers don't support it but Shady is still a top 10 Playmaker imo. Just watch him play , still makes moves only he can execute and is usually the best guy on the field. If he gets dealt to a team with even a good passing attack, he could and will be an absolute monster. He's been one here since joining with a backup and rookie QB! Point being, they better get handsomely compensated, because Shady will be a huge addition.

"BTW: Hue Jackson's favorite pastime was reminding people he is the head coach. " LMAO!! This genuinely gave me a good laugh. So true!!! Yeah he could get another shot but that'd be years down the road. If he gets an OC job and kills it , a team can justify his hiring by pointing to the dysfunction in the Browns organization as a direct result of his poor record. He had his team in almost every game,they just couldn't close the game out. That's what a losing culture will do

Now that's the organization I know!

Football is a 53 man roster with 22 starters. This is a perfect example of people having unrealistic expectations , you can't have a stud at every position. Miller , Mills , Ducass are playing average at least. Lorax is rated as one of the best edge defenders in the game. Guy is like fine wine, getting better with age.

I agree. He has the potential to be the best MLB in the league . A cornerstone of this D for the Future. But am I the only one that saw Indy pick in him pretty consistently. Shades of week 2 vs LA , where they picked on him for the whole first half. But at 20 years of age and being a rookie at MLB , these things happen.... With that said , His teammates and coaches have also consistently said , since Training camp, that he rarely makes same mistake twice , always learning n getting better.. I expect him to be an All pro by 2020. Pro Bowler by next year. If we can get Oliver or Bosa or an elite DL , this D is set . Stud MLB, check. Legit shutdown, already top 10 CB , check. Legit top 10 pass rusher, check. Legit top 3 safety Duo, check. Legit stud nickel cb, check. Then there's Milano ( flashes elite potential) , Murphy , Star who are all playing above average. And Lorax who like Hughes is playing outta his mind .( Didn't mention him because I'm not sure if he'll be here next year). Lawson , who is quietly playing much better. Both Phillips playing good, with ton of potential. Get Oliver on that line , a legit #2 cb and some depth pieces and u got a top 5 defense for years. I Love what this staff has built on THAT SIDE. They built it with LONG TERM success in mind.

He definitely has a place in the NFL, but he's just always going to be a back up, low ceiling. I root for him, hard worker

Enough said lol. I'm usually not this guy but this thread is ridiculous.

That would make sense and all , except the defense he inherited 1.5 years ago only has 3 of the same starters, Kyle, Jerry and Lorax. We already rebuilt the defense

Oh yeah , the ol "Soft Tank " ... Um... ?

I relapsed. Thanks Bills!?

Yup. We almost have to be perfect on D and ST to sniff a win . In this league that's not sustainable , it's all about next year imo. I'm willing to give the staff a pass because the dead cap, young d talent and the picks and FA $ next year. I hope Allen sits til late November

Anyone else surprisingly not emotional after this one? First game this year I literally don't care . Emotionless basically

Amen

I feel like literally every team runs them except us. And exactly for the reason u stated. They can't and won't call it consistently. Way more pro than con

Cowher nailed it at halftime. The putrid offense has a trickle down effect to the defense, sucks the life out of them . Same thing been happening in Jax last 3 weeks

I think I'm done for the day.

We have one on our team. Shady played in 12+ games since his rookie year,2009