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What was the line of scrimmage when the QB threw the ball? Anything inside the 40 and that INT and touchback just took the offense out of FG range.

In meadcoins.

I wasn’t insulting your understanding of schemes. Sorry if it came across that way. Operating from under center is a required skill. I will just let it go at that. He is a one read QB because all he has seen most of the time is a steady diet of some version of quarters zone coverage in college. So yeah, that’s a bigger concern making the jump.

Although there are certain timing schemes that rely on snaps from under center, operating from under center is about more than just the passing game. It affords much more scheme flexibility when you can present varying alignments to a defense. Regardless, it is an aspect of the pro game that needs to be developed in QBs that have never done it. I’m sure Mayfield won’t have any problem eventually, but I suspect there will be bumps initially; on top of the bumps associated with learning the pro game anyway. In the system he’s coming from, he hasn’t seen the diversity in defenses on a week to week basis for instance. All I’m saying is, like most rookie QBs, I don’t think he’s a day one starter and I hope his development isn’t hurt by being forced to start before he’s ready.

Too many teams would jump at the chance to get ahead of us at 12. Not to mention Miami at 11. I’d be shocked if Rosen fell to us. And if we like him that much then go up an insure you get him.

Very true. Which is why I think he's more of a project for a year or two vs. a day one starter. If he goes to a market like New York and is forced to play from the get-go, he's gonna get roasted by the media and fans. It will be worse than Johnny Football's fall from grace in Cleveland in terms of the fans' patience. If he can go there and hold a clipboard while working on his game and learning to become a pro, I think he can flourish there.

Tell that to Benjamin Netanyahu.

He probably is the "next most" ready to play. I don't dispute that. But there is only one QB in this draft that is, imo, ready from day one; Rosen. We'll have to hitch the wagon to McCarron until anybody else is ready. I can live with that, though.

How about Milton Bradley? Either one will do.

Not saying he isn't going to be effective eventually, but I have concerns about him working from under center initially. He's just never done it. And it takes time to master.

Yes, the draft is deeper in "non impact" positions, but that doesn't matter when it comes to rating players. I'll leave it at that. Like you said, this draft is all about QBs . And that will force other positions to drop, which is just one reason why #22 this year is more valuable than a non-rated future #1 pick next year. And many of us agree with you as we've been saying for months that the cap space created for next year affords us the ability to sign players to fill holes, at both impact and non impact positions. And that is going to make it far easier to deal with the loss of a first round pick next year if it comes to that.

Omar Kelly, Super Genius!

My preference is for a player that can step in and play right away if not needing a shorter time on the bench learning the ropes. Lot to like about Mayfield, especially his "compete" to coin a phrase from Ted Nolan, but he's going to need some time before he's ready, imo. Not saying I wouldn't like getting him but I'd be hoping McCarron can be an effective bridge longer than I'd like.

Not according to the people I talk to. But just to be clear, I'm not advocating they keep 22 at the expense of going up and getting their QB. It would be stupid to make that a show stopper; that's the reason we acquired the extra pick to begin with. But if a team is willing to take next year's 1 instead of 22 this year (and I doubt there is), then we should do that.

What makes it less valuable is that there are no assigned ratings, no grades on any of next year's college prospects at this point in time. This is considered a fairly deep draft, especially where the top 75 players are concerned. And because of the number of QBs pegged to go in the first round, great talent at other positions is going to fall. That just can't be said for next year's draft.

That's why I think next year's 1 might be in play. #22 this year is a better known quantity at this point in a fairly deep draft and is more valuable for that reason. It may be difficult to get a trading partner that doesn't think the same thing at this point, though.

This level of satire will go unappreciated by those other good people, I'm sure.

Three OLmen testifying to Rosen's leadership qualities and his merits as a teammate. Three guys responsible for his protection on the field. I take their recommendation above any others.

Agreed. It would be nice to stick it to the league, be in the playoff race, secure a January home game, and sell it out with a bunch of loud, maniacal fans going crazy in bad weather.

With better supporting casts, yes. They have enough talent. Bortles is simply lacking, imo.

Bortles yes, the other two, no.

I hear ya, but I don’t think it matters one bit to the Pegulas.

I think he was referring to the Jets whose owner was appointed ambassador to the U.K. by trump.

We don't get to determine what how many "options" there are at QB in this draft. What the talking head pundits spew is just not worth hanging your hat on. It all depends on the grades assigned by Beane and Co. and whether or not they think a player is worth shooting for and for all we know, they may only think one QB is worth the investment. As to history being relevant, it simply isn't. Every draft, every player, every team, every circumstance is unique. All of those previous failures failed for EVERY other reason than being drafted where they were drafted. But I can get anecdotal evidence to say whatever I want, too. Point is, if Beane and Co. are afraid to pull the trigger on their convictions, they have no business being in the positions they're in. What's that old saying, "You miss 100% of the shots you don't take?" Something like that.

Interesting that he would make this declaration before finalizing his draft board.