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He's got a point about the Browns. EVERY scouting report on him highlighted his lack of good study habits in college. EVERY. ONE. It was common knowledge and the Browns were certainly aware and chose to ignore that red flag. That is on them. It's not Manziel's fault they chose him anyway.

Been watching hockey since 1970. Your comparison between Ristolainan and Hartnell is what's clueless here. A simple comparison of their respective PIMs per game over the course of their careers tells the story. Hartnell's hit on Antipin was as unnecessary as it gets because it was so late. I find your "less than one second" argument ridiculous as well, especially given it was a routine puck reversal and Hartnell never bothered going in the direction of the puck. But that one second is an eternity in hockey, anyway. I'll be glad to talk hockey any time. But tossing crap isn't talking hockey. When you offer a thoughtful analysis, I'll be glad to chime in. In the meantime, you're right about wasting our time.

Hockey eternity. That is for anyone with a modicum of hockey awareness which, admittedly Hartnell has in short supply. Bizzare take? That’s rich coming from someone who equates Ristolainen’s reputation with Hartnell’s. Aw, what’s wrong? Did Risto not make nice-nice with Kadri?

I’m not saying he deliberately tried to hurt a player; I’m saying his totally reckless and unnecessary hit resulted in the injury and it could have been avoided. It was not a close play in the least; puck was long gone; a hockey eternity. Plenty of time to consider your actions. And given Hartnell’s reputation, he gets no benefit of the doubt.

Spare me the false equivalence between Ristolainen and Hartnell. As an informed fan, you know better. Risto has never come close to that, nor does he have that reputation. There’s a difference between being being pesky and hard to play against (Kadri) and a cheap shot artist. And in in real time, Hartnell had PLENTY of time to make a better decision. His own coach wonders why he’s so stupid.

Well done, Gunner. Not surprised that Rosen would be at the top. He's been the clubhouse leader since the college season started. That doesn't mean he'll be the first QB taken, just that the consensus among the scouting community hasn't changed. He's the most pro ready prospect available. That simple.

Yeah, he lacked awareness that a cheap, totally unnecessary hit was coming well after he got rid of the puck. The only player lacking awareness on that play was Hartnell. But that's nothing new with that bastard.

Brad Marchand bio pic?

Thanks for the clarification. Now that I know they balanced it out like that, it was actually a good idea.

TNT should be ashamed for trotting out this team of play by play and color announcers. Total Michigan homers. A color guy who says "we" has no place on a national telecast.

Yes, and Levy's new deal in '91 put him in the upper echelon of coaching salaries at the time. Look, I don't want to rehash every single nuance of Ralph's spending here. But the Sullivans of the world need to understand that they need to include the exceptions to their narrative when it comes to Mr. Wilson being "cheap" when there are several examples of him making some of his coaches and players among the highest paid in the league for their positions.

Might take some digging. Do you recall that the Steelers were also after Rauch as well at the time and would have hired him over Knoll if he didn't sign with Buffalo? Mr. Wilson had to pay him to get him here and I believe only Shula and Ewbank made more as AFL coaches at the time. Rauch's winning percentage was staggering, after all. I thought Saban II, Knox, and Levy II were common knowledge in terms of their top 5 salaries. I'll see what I can find, though.

Talent restricting? Inadvertent employment? Misers in Cincy and Cleveland? Sound like selective reasoning to underscore a point. Green Bay, Pittsburgh, and Kansas City used cash to cap accounting methodology, regardless. Ironically, that's essentially what the last CBA forces all teams to do given the cap floors mandated. But that's another discussion.

Glad you're so easily amused. Not surprised you'd find an uninformed hit piece by Sully so entertaining. Unless a team his hiring a NAME coach, then he is going to enter the league at or near the median salary. That's how it's always been, with very few exceptions. That's why references to years past is relevant today. And for crissakes, NOBODY said Mr. Wilson spared no expense or that he wasn't tight with a budget. But there were plenty of times when he operated outside of that budget as well. And I think that's worth noting in contrast to idiots like Sully who wish to leave the reader with the impression that he NEVER loosened the purse strings. If you don't, fine.

That was when he was newly hired. He was the 2nd highest paid coach in the league when he signed his second deal. "Demonstrated results." Would you say that the Steeler's cash to cap accounting methodology killed any chance of them being winners? How about Green Bay and Kansas City?

I'm guessing it's the realization none of those future draft picks means anything if we don't have a great QB, anyway.

Rauch, Saban, Knox, Levy all among the highest paid coaches of their eras. Mr. Wilson had no problem paying for demonstrated results. If anyone cares to research which owner had the most highest paid players at their respective positions over the years, they may be surprised. We've also had a couple of the highest paid players, period, as well. Including OJ, ironically. Nobody is claiming Mr. Wilson wasn't tight with the purse strings or that he didn't insist on operating within a prescribed budget year to year, but he was hardly the miser some have claimed over the years, either.

I don’t disagree with anything here, especially about the added complexity of today’s schemes; on both sides of the ball. I only cite Kelly and Marino as they were mentioned as examples of guys who scored low and still succeeded.

I don't mean to single out Kelly and Marino, but they are two HOFers often mentioned in the low wonderlic discussions. And yeah, nobody ever confused them with keen intellects so I don't think much was expected in that department, lol. But they could break down a defense and expound on various defensive concepts and why certain offensive schemes may work against them during the interview process in their draft years. That's all that matters to teams and I'm concerned about the reports of Jackson's poor performance along those lines in his various interviews so far.

Kelly and Marino, along with other low wonderlic scorers over the years, were able to allay the concerns about the poor test performance with their ability to impress with their football knowledge in interviews, including in depth breakdowns on the chalkboard. It's been reported that Jackson has not been impressive in his interviews when it comes to breaking down various plays and retaining various information. That's what makes a low score a red flag.

I was at those camps and saw him live. And I’ve seen all those on your list as well. So yeah, I’m gonna act like I am actually able to draw live comparisons. But if it makes you feel better, I’ll tamp down the hyperbole (used to emphasize the point) and say the others are close.

James Harris. And it’s not even close. He did stuff on the practice field that was legend at the time.

Bergeron. Great player to pattern his game after.

McSorely was actually found guilty of assault in a Canadian court.