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Welcome back! No go away again!! just kidding. I hope life’s crazy twists and turns have you in a happy spot.

I’ll go with Green Bay due to their QB, but I think the Vikings will take them to the final week or 2.

Hahaha. Same here. I was mad at the time of the pick. Considering our franchises past with developing QBs, i preferred to take the qb I thought was more Nfl ready as opposed to a project. I quickly came around to the thought of having the best arm I had ever seen be our next hope for success. McB + Josh’s hard work have changed our lives as Bills fans.

I quoted your first post, which was responding to no one. I wasn’t involved in your debates with other posters People should be “questioning their reality” because they weren’t optimistic that a Buffalo Bills coaching staff and FO would be able to surround Josh Allen with the right tools to succeed? People should be “questioning their reality” because they didn’t know what kind of heart and motivation to be great that Josh had inside of him? talk about going overboard……

At the 54:40 mark, the interviewers bring up Joe Burrow being more talented, palmer immediately dismisses him due to “physical talent”. They aren’t just discussing “learned technique”. Cam, Vick and Lamar are on the lower side of learned technique, and on the top of the physical talent spectrum. Yet, they are in this conversation……not because of what they learned as passers but because of their physical talent. They are discussing both. Josh has it all in spades. He has learned talent from his improvement as a passer and he has the physical talent from he’s being and the work he’s put in. We’ve beaten this poor horse and now it seems that we are pulling it around while moving the goal posts. You’ll find a way to make this for your ideas. You’ve moved the conversation from talent to being coached up. have fun

So your argument now lies behind Vick not having the proper coaching. Got it. great argument. You credit Rodgers and Mahomes for being more accurate than Josh. Yet Josh can’t be given the same nod over Vick….. because Vick never had the proper coaching. Vick is faster. That is all

So are we talking about physical tools or talent? Vick had the physical arm strength equal to Josh….but he was a much less accurate passer. Even if we were to agree that they had equal arm strength, no one would say Vick was more accurate. Allens arm talent is better. He’s a better reader of the football field and is a better thrower of the 3 nfl passes. He makes better use of pump fakes and is adept at looking off DBs. Vick is faster. That’s all.

Exactly what? Acho said he’s not the “best”….. but was sure that Josh was the most “talented”…… that is the topic at hand….

That only matters when talking positively about Mahomes and Rodgers. You should know that by now

I’ve watched plenty of Vick. I think Josh has a bigger arm

Well if you can see into the pretend world and know that he’d have similar rushing numbers then I’m allowed to see into pretend world and know that he’d be injured if he ran that much. did you listen to the interview? He makes solid points. But I’m sure it’s just to plug himself and doesn’t think there’s any truth to it

2 minute mark, Acho, says he’s the “most talented”. He says so in a very matter of fact way. He just hasn’t earned “the best” yet.

Don’t act like Vick 💯 had a better arm than Allen. Vicks is up there, but I think Allen has the best arm I’ve ever seen.

And Allen may have the biggest arm you or I have seen. Plus he’s a mountain of a man that can see the field better and is more difficult to bring down. Vick wasn’t a tackle breaker, he made people miss. Josh does both. Vick was the most explosive athletic qB I’ve ever seen. But with regards to being the most physically talented to play qb, size has to come into the equation. Regarding Rodgers, yes, he’s big enough to be the best qb ever. I don’t think he’s big or fast enough to be the most physically talented. regarding Mahomes- yeah, he’s up there alright. Josh is a mutant. I’m quite confidant that many non bills fans agree with the take that Josh is the most talented qb ever. I’ve heard it first hand at one of my my fantasy football drafts last year. We had this conversation and out of 16 owners, 3 owners disagreed. 2 Falcons fans said Vick was and 1 bronco fan said Elway was. 15 owners laughed the bronco fan out of the bar. He’s built different The guys you mentioned are extremely talented, but we’ll agree to disagree. Josh is a different kind a beast. Much different.

hard to say he’s not top 10 or higher. He does everything well. Athletically, I think he’s just a tad below Josh, while also being smaller.

Very good person, football mind and DC. Unfortunately his age + his past record as a HC will likely keep him from getting another job. I wouldn’t hire him if I were a GM based on those 2 things alone.

Vick- If he were 6’4 240 with similar movement skills as he had as a 6 foot 215 lb qb, I would agree with you. Josh’s size is a huge advantage. I think the only place Vick > Josh is speed. Elway- the eye test says it all in this case. He doesn’t move or throw as well as Josh. He’s smaller than Josh. Josh is 100x the runner Elway was. To date, he does everything better than Elway did, except win Super Bowls. I agree. I should have mentioned him as well. But his arm and size put him clearly behind JA imo.

But most people say that he’s pretty good, but just not worth upper echelon money. But… do you. But that wouldn’t play to his side of the conversation….so it’s best just to leave that out.

Which QBs that he hasn’t trained are more physically talented?

💯 mind boggling to say the least. All of my non bills fans friends agree he’s easily the most physically talented they’ve ever watched.

I love this

And none of those guys were as physically talented as Josh. I don’t think any of them are even close. Elway the closest…..but he’s not that close either. athletes are now much bigger, stronger and faster when compared to the 80s. That’s part of this conversation. I’d probably go with Randall. Size (not Josh size), speed, arm, athletic ability. Mahomes, Vick, Kyler and Lamar have the speed, arm (not joshs’ arm) and athletic ability, but lack the size.

I think that’s already the consensus

It’ll forever sting. Hopefully that won’t be his defining moment as the coach of the Bills. It could be….. but I billieve he’ll overcome. I think having Levi Wallace and Dane Jackson as our corners for those 13 seconds had something to do with his poor defensive play calls. 2 slow, zero investment corners out there to cover Tyreek, Kelce and Hardman with the season on the line.

I understand why you would feel that way. The coaching has failed us in the previous two playoff losses. I still believe they can and will get the job done.