Realist

I don't think everyone saw the entire quote in context from JP. And if you all did, I don't find anything wrong at all with what he's saying. From yesterday's Rochester D & C, he said he was getting tired of people comparing him negatively to Johnson. He didn't just come out of the blue and say his parents were blue collar workers. Here's an excerpt from the article: Most fans applauded the decision to get rid of Bledsoe and turn the keys over to the inexperienced Losman now. Being a starting quarterback is a dream come true for the 2004 first-round pick out of Tulane University. He is working hard to make sure it doesn't become a nightmare. "The recognition and feedback I've received when I've been out and about in Buffalo has been amazing," he says. "I'm having fun with it, but I'm reminded that I haven't done anything yet and that this all can disappear if I don't produce this fall. That's why I've been spending so much time with coach (Sam) Wyche in the film room. I don't want to leave anything for chance." About the only negative so far has been the negative comparisons to another quarterback from southern California who played for the Bills — Rob Johnson. "At first, it didn't bother me much," says Losman, a native of Venice, Calif. "But lately it's become annoying and is said to me in a put-down way. I can assure you I'm not Rob Johnson. I come from a working-class environment. My dad poured concrete for a living and my mother worked two jobs. I just wish people would give that comparison a rest."

Thanks for the update Lori! Greatly appreciated from us out of towners.

To be honest with you, if you look at LA's Contest thread, there aren't too many optimistic Bills fans out there. Most of us are picking them to be average. I think its just the way your attitude came out of your post that pissed people off.

Sep 11 Houston W Sep 18 @Tampa Bay L Sep 25 Atlanta L Oct 2 @New Orleans W Oct 9 Miami W Oct 16 N.Y. Jets L Oct 23 @Oakland L Oct 30 @New England L Week 9 BYE By this time the suicide watch is on, and TD must be fired threads start in earnest. Nov 13 Kansas City W Nov 20 @San Diego W Nov 27 Carolina L Dec 4 @Miami W Dec 11 New England W Dec 17 Denver L Dec 24 @Cincinnati W Jan 1 @N.Y. Jets W Finish at 9-7 and out of the Play-offs, but just wait 'til next year!

DT Tim Anderson

IIRC it was a 6th rounder.

If he's not traded, my bet is he holds out throughout most of Training Camp if not all of it. He'll probably be back for the regular season games or at least most of them. I don't see him holding out for 10 games.

$150 Bond? What did he do, break her fingernail? Not making light of the situation, just think that $150 bond is awfully low for domestic violence.

I disagree, JP starts no matter how putrid he may play in the preseason. However, the worse he plays in preseason will determine how much of a leash he is put on during the regular season. If he flat out sucks in pre season, the leash will be a short one.

I haven't read the other responses yet, but I would think because of how Holcomb played in Cleveland, with what he had, if the coaches think we are getting our behinds kicked because of JP, I don't they'd hesitate to put in Holcomb. If its a close game or the defense and ST aren't playing up to par either, my guess is they leave JP in there to battle back.

I have a friend who's father was in the printing business and during the latter stages of that game they were quickly printing out T-shirts, sweatshirts and pennants. After the game they were supposed to destroy all of them or something, well they kept a few for themselves for nostalgias sake. That would have been cool to get one of those. I wonder if this pennant is one of theirs.

Since that interview where Willis said those "Famous Last Words" in your sig, I thought the same thing. To be honest, I really don't care for his attitude. It seems like he's a "me" first type of player and could give a sh_t about the Bills. He won't be here more than a few years, he'll hold out next year if he has a good season this year.

Sun., Sept. 11 HOUSTON TEXANS CBS 1:00 PM WIN Sun., Sept. 18 at Tampa Bay Buccaneers CBS 1:00 PM LOSS Sun., Sept. 25 ATLANTA FALCONS FOX 1:00 PM LOSS Sun. Oct. 2 at New Orleans Saints CBS 1:00 PM WIN Sun., Oct. 9 MIAMI DOLPHINS CBS 1:00 PM WIN Sun., Oct 16 NEW YORK JETS CBS 4:15 PM LOSS Sun., Oct. 23 at Oakland Raiders CBS 4:15 PM LOSS Sun., Oct. 30 at New England Patriots ESPN 8:30 PM LOSS - Agree with the "clubbing" - This will be the beginning of two weeks of Hell here on TSW. Sun., Nov. 6 BYE WEEK Sun., Nov. 13 KANSAS CITY CHIEFS CBS 1:00 PM WIN Sun., Nov. 20 at San Diego Chargers CBS 4:15 PM WIN Sun., Nov. 27 CAROLINA PANTHERS FOX 1:00 PM LOSS Sun., Dec. 4 at Miami Dolphins CBS 1:00 PM WIN Sun., Dec. 11 NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS CBS 1:00 PM WIN Sat., Dec. 17 DENVER BRONCOS ESPN 8:30 PM LOSS Sat., Dec. 24 at Cincinnati Bengals CBS 1:00 PM WIN Sun., Jan. 1 at New York Jets CBS 1:00 PM WIN 9-7 miss the playoffs.

This thread has really gotten me to thinking when will I be so pissed at TD that I want him gone. He has done many good things for us and some bad all of which are debated above. Please remember that he is also President, so in reality, I don't think what we the fans think about TD matters one whit to Wilson. I do not expect to make the playoffs this year. I think that will be too difficult with a 1st year starter (I know the whole Big Ben scenario from last year, so I know its not impossible, its just improbable). So unless this team drops back to 3-13 or 2-14 or just something horrendous like that, I would give this year a pass. But looking ahead to 2006, I not only expect to make the playoffs, but I fully expect to be a competitor for the SB. That means either a Division title or a very close record to whoever wins the AFC East. And if we go in as a Wild Card, a decisive win in that game. With one year with JP starting and if the defense still remains among the best (and it should), this team will have absolutely no excuse in 2006. Basically, I'm giving TD a pass this year. The coaching staff looks like it is going to be a good one. We have the players, the only question is at the most important position on the team. Since we did not do a whole lot with the OLine, I'm putting all blame on the OLine on the coaches, its obvious they feel we have the talent to put together a decent Line. I think this year we start out slow as JP and the OLine get up to speed, 3-5 in the beginning, but finish strong at 6-2 to finish up with a 9-7 record, missing the playoffs.

Ouch, that does hurt. You wouldn't think Buffalo and Jacksonville should be in that company.

I was surprised too at how many are still with the team, especially in the last 2 drafts. Still, you're right, it would be nice if more of them were starters.

The Bills' drafts with TD, as I said, I'm okay with his drafts. 2001 Rd Sel# Player Pos. School 1 21 Nate Clements CB Ohio State 2 46 Aaron Schobel DE Texas Christian 2 58 Travis Henry RB Tennessee 3 76 Ron Edwards DT Texas A&M 3 95 Jonas Jennings T Georgia 4 110 Brandon Spoon MLB North Carolina 5 144 Marques Sullivan T Illinois 6 178 Tony Driver FS Notre Dame 6 195 Dan O'Leary TE Notre Dame 6 196 Jimmy Williams CB Vanderbilt 7 214 Reggie Germany WR Ohio State 7 238 Tyrone Robertson DT Hinds CC 2002 Rd Sel# Player Pos. School 1 4 Mike Williams T Texas 2 36 Josh Reed WR Louisiana State 2 61 Ryan Denney DE Brigham Young 3 97 Coy Wire SS Stanford 5 139 Justin Bannan DT Colorado 6 176 Kevin Thomas CB Nevada-Las Vegas 7 215 Mike Pucillo G Auburn 7 249 Rodney Wright WR Fresno State 7 251 Jarrett Ferguson RB Virginia Tech 7 260 Dominique Stevenson OLB Tennessee 2003 Rd Sel# Player Pos. School 1 23 Willis McGahee RB Miami 2 48 Chris Kelsay DE Nebraska 3 94 Angelo Crowell OLB Virginia 4 111 Terrence McGee CB Northwestern State, La. 4 127 Sam Aiken WR North Carolina 5 151 Ben Sobieski G Iowa 6 187 Lauvale Sape DT Utah 7 228 Mario Haggan MLB Mississippi State 2004 Rd Sel# Player Pos. School 1 13 Lee Evans WR Wisconsin 1 22 J.P. Losman QB Tulane 3 74 Tim Anderson DT Ohio State 4 109 Tim Euhus TE Oregon State 7 207 Dylan McFarland T Montana 7 214 Jonathan Smith WR Georgia Tech

And here are the Eagles. Plenty of busts here. I am much more pleased with our drafts than these. 2000 Rd Sel# Player Pos. School 1 6 Corey Simon DT Florida State 2 36 Todd Pinkston WR Southern Mississippi 2 61 Bobbie Williams G Arkansas 4 99 Gari Scott WR Michigan State 6 171 Thomas Hamner RB Minnesota 6 178 John Frank DE Utah 6 192 John Romero C California 2001 Rd Sel# Player Pos. School 1 25 Freddie Mitchell WR UCLA 2 55 Quinton Caver OLB Arkansas 3 63 Derrick Burgess DE Mississippi 4 121 Correll Buckhalter RB Nebraska 5 147 Tony Stewart TE Penn State 5 155 A.J. Feeley QB Oregon 2002 Rd Sel# Player Pos. School 1 26 Lito Sheppard CB Florida 2 58 Michael Lewis SS Colorado 2 59 Sheldon Brown CB South Carolina 3 91 Brian Westbrook RB Villanova 4 124 Scott Peters C Arizona State 5 162 Freddie Milons WR Alabama 6 198 Tyreo Harrison MLB Notre Dame 7 238 Raheem Brock DE Temple 2003 Rd Sel# Player Pos. School 1 15 Jerome McDougle DE Miami 2 61 L.J. Smith TE Rutgers 3 95 Billy McMullen WR Virginia 4 131 Jamaal Green DE Miami 6 185 Jeremy Bridges T Southern Mississippi 7 244 Norman LeJeune DB Louisiana State 2004 Rd Sel# Player Pos. School 1 16 Shawn Andrews T Arkansas 3 89 Matt Ware CB UCLA 4 129 J.R. Reed FS South Florida 4 131 Trey Darilek T Texas-El Paso 5 162 Thomas Tapeh FB Minnesota 6 185 Andy Hall QB Delaware 6 192 Dexter Wynn CB Colorado State 7 227 Adrien Clarke G Ohio State 7 242 Bruce Perry RB Maryland 7 243 Dominic Furio C Nevada-Las Vegas

Here's the Pats last 4 drafts not including 2005. A couple of very good players (although 2003 seemed to be a great draft). Other than that after rounds 1 and 2 I wouldn't call any of them gems (Givens in the 7th being the only one). Interesting how the kicker Pochman was a Patriots 7th round pick in 01 now he is playing for us in NFLE and doing quite well from what I underrstand. Overall, compared to this, I'm okay with TD's drafts. 2001 Rd Sel# Player Pos. School 1 6 Richard Seymour DE Georgia 2 48 Matt Light T Purdue 3 86 Brock Williams CB Notre Dame 4 96 Kenyatta Jones T South Florida 4 119 Jabari Holloway TE Notre Dame 5 163 Hakim Akbar OLB Washington 6 180 Arther Love TE South Carolina State 6 200 Leonard Myers CB Miami 7 216 Owen Pochman K Brigham Young 7 239 T.J. Turner OLB Michigan State 2002 Rd Sel# Player Pos. School 1 21 Daniel Graham TE Colorado 2 65 Deion Branch WR Louisville 4 117 Rohan Davey QB Louisiana State 4 126 Jarvis Green DE Louisiana State 7 237 Antwoine Womack RB Virginia 7 253 David Givens WR Notre Dame 2003 Rd Sel# Player Pos. School 1 13 Ty Warren DE Texas A&M 2 36 Eugene Wilson FS Illinois 2 45 Bethel Johnson WR Texas A&M 4 117 Dan Klecko ILB Temple 4 120 Asante Samuel CB Central Florida 5 164 Dan Koppen C Boston College 6 201 Kliff Kingsbury QB Texas Tech 7 234 Spencer Nead FB Brigham Young 7 239 Tully Banta-Cain OLB California 7 243 Ethan Kelley DT Baylor 2004 Rd Sel# Player Pos. School 1 21 Vince Wilfork DT Miami 1 32 Ben Watson TE Georgia 2 63 Marquise Hill DE Louisiana State 3 95 Guss Scott DB Florida 4 113 Dexter Reid SS North Carolina 4 128 Cedric Cobbs RB Arkansas 5 164 P.K. Sam WR Florida State 7 233 Christian Morton DB Illinois

And that's who the GM is working for, the owner not the fans. If an owner is going to listen to the fans in making his decisions, he shouldn't be an owner (Snyder of Washington). I don't love TD, he's made some mistakes, but he has done something to correct them. I definitely don't think he should be fired, yet and probably not in the near future, unless this team royally sucks this year, then I may change my opinion. Personally, I'm guessing 9-7 and no playoffs. I guess, the question is, who would you rather see (thats available) as the Bills' GM?

I think you hit the nail on the head with that one. TD can give the team the best opportunity to win, but he can't go out there and play the game. He's not here to get the wins, thats what the coaches and players are for. He's here to provide the opportunity to achieve those wins in the most profitable way possible.

This is from today's TMQ: Philadelphia: If published reports are to be believed, the Eagles passed on trading a third-round draft pick for running back Travis Henry in order to draft running back Ryan Moats. First, Henry is a power back, what the Eagles desperately need, while Moats is a scatback third-down type, the kind of player Philadelphia has too many of already. Second, Henry is an established talent, while Moats is a rookie question mark. Third, rumor had it Philadelphia shied from Henry because of his fumble stats -- one fumble every 46 touches, worse than the NFL running-back average of about one per 60 touches. But Moats fumbled 16 times in his two years as a college upperclassman, dropping the rock once every 33 touches, a red-alert fumble rate. All this is yet more evidence Philadelphia just doesn't get it. You cannot win the Super Bowl without a running game. Please Eagles, find someone who can drag tacklers forward five yards on a consistent basis. The McNabb era won't last forever. Give Donovan a running game to work with!

Never give into a players trade demands, as AD said, thats a Very dangerous precedent to set. If TH wants to be a locker room cancer, his teammates will straighten him out and make him see the light.

I believe, as has been stated earlier in this thread, that "anything" means "anything worth listening to". A late round pick for Henry? You've got to be kidding. I would've hung up too.

Sorry, I don't see anywhere in there where TD lied.