The Jokeman
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He looks like Drew Brees. Good for Miami...they haven't had a real QB since Gino Torretta.
Have you forgotten about Ken Dorsey already? Sure he rode the wave the rest of the team but he was still a good college QB.
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Let Flutie play
Better yet let RJ finish out the 1998 season and play the 1999 season. Haven't we learned through JP Losman that maybe, just maybe, a QB needs time on the field to develop?
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The site I always go by lists him as an Unrestricted Free Agent. It could be wrong though. But it's generally pretty reliable.
Another good site is http://www.theredzone.org/2007/freeagents/...asp?Position=CB
Also, signing Hood would be very similar in style to what the team did last year in free agency, when instead of tabbing big names, they went after guys that they thought were on the cusp of being quality players.True but feel a good majority of the guys we brought in were not full time starters, I mean the only guy that we could honestly say was a full time starter that we brought in through free agency was Melvin Fowler. As although Triplett and Royal started all season they also weren't asked to be on the field on all three downs each and every game. That's why I would have issues if let Nate walk with no form of compensation. I know it's debateable if Nate's worth the money he's going to be seeking in free agency but if we don't give it to him someone else will and the question will be is the guy(s) we bring in to replace him will they be as good as Nate and the money as a collection would cost? As sometimes the sum is less than the total of the parts. I guess it's all a matter of prespective if think a Nate and Kris Dielman signing would be worth more (or less) than a Eric Steinbach and Roderick Hood could be. To me I prefer the first as Nate's a known quantity where everyone else is just pure speculation as what they could do here.
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From my understanding he is a restricted free-agent.
Haper's a six year veteran, he's no way going to be restricted.
According to this article, Roderick Hood of the Eagles could be pursued by the Bills.I'm guessing the writer of that article fails to realize the Bills are one of the top teams in terms of cap space. Of course he might be assuming we're going to go on the cheap and therefore Hood might be an option. Hood does have some upside and put up some good numbers as a nickel/spot starter in Philly but much rather see him brought in to compete with a McGee then replace a Pro Bowl caliber player like Clements.
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Ahhhh....but wasn't Flowers a biult up LB tring to play DE?
This is apples and oranges.....Okoye has actually weighed OVER 300 pounds and dropped weight
I dont know....I see Warren Sapp all over him
As much as I'd love the next Sapp, the Bills instead need a Booger McFarland. That's why I've been calling for us to sign a guy like Ian Scott (or Alvin McKinley) in free agency. As we need someone that can hold the point of a attack and let Triplett and/or McCargo go free to attack the QB. McFarland also shows that you can have a NT that doesn't have to be a 340 pound behemoth.
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All the descriptions sound like the second coming of TT> Good hands, good runner, not explosive speed....
The only difference is Hunt's about 6-2 239. I've compared him to Anthony Thomas/Stephen Davis.
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Simple question.
March 2, 2007.
A note to follow sol?And that will bring us back to ...
D'OH!
[Homer]D'OH! [/Homer] [Marge]A deer! [/Marge] [Lisa]A female deer![/Lisa]
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Is Fred Bennett in the mix? I like his speed and size over Hughes.
I think Bennett's a mid/late 2nd Rounder. I don't expect him make an impact as a rookie like some of the others I mentioned. Of course I did read a glowing report on Hughes earlier this week at Buccaneers.com prior to his injury this week so could be slightly biased. Though you're right Bennett does pass the eye test more then Hughes. Yet all things considered I rank Revis as the top CB in the draft.
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You know what happens when you assume.
Actually I like the idea someone had about the Bills going after Travis Fisher, who will be an UFA from the Rams. If he can stay healthy, he'd be a good addition.
Part of the reason I originally brought him up is feel he could be a bargain but at the same time I'd much rather have Nate. Though if had to choose Fisher or a rookie or Youboty I'd definately go with Fisher.
Based on Youboty's inactivity this season during games, I think you're wrong.As for Leon Hall, as I've said before, he's probably too slow to warrant a top 15 pick. There isn't a CB worth taking that high this year. No Pacman Jones available.
Heck, let's not forget when we took Nate five years ago he was the top CB taken at #21. I agree Hall's not worth pick #12 this year. If we do lose Nate would prefer signing a veteran (Nick Harper or Travis Fisher are on my short list now) to replacement but if choose to take someone in the draft prefer if we could trade down and come away with Marcus McCauley, Daymeion Hughes or Darrelle Revis.
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Wow. People here never cease to amaze me. I won't even begin to discuss that ridiculous stance.
Why's it ridiculous? Let me guess it's ridiculous because Kelly was a 1st Round pick and Delhomme went undrafted? Here's my points of comparison Delhomme like Jimbo excelled in a league other the NFL to start his career (NFL Europe vs USFL) has a comparable completion percentage (59.5 vs 60.1), a similar yard per attempt (7.2 vs 7.4) has a better TD: INT ratio (1.46 vs 1.35) and like Kelly helped lead his team to 2 Championship games in his first 4 seasons a starter. Who knows, he might even have better numbers had he been able to start in New Orleans his first two seasons in the NFL.
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Whats the score? Who stood out besides Leonard?
The final was North 27, South 0. This AP story gives a good recap.
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Lelie has a very, very bad attitude, I don't think that Marv would let him on the team. He's great, he's one of my favorite recievers ever since he played in Denver, and I would like to see him play in red and blue.
I wouldn't say he's great but feel he'd be an upgrade to Peerless as look at their numbers last year they both averaged about the same yards per game. Of course Lelie has a bigger upside and offers more size then Price so to me he's an obvious guy to go after.
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SCHWINNGGGGGGGGG
A sphincter says what????
I think Denver is going to let a lot of their DL go--toward the end of the year there were some disparaging comments from Coach Shanahan and they fired their D Coord.
....I also think we need NT's more than 3 tackles and I think Meyers is more of a 3...I think the 3 position can be ably filled by Tripplett and Williams--but the nose is a total question mark -- Anderson sat the last game as a healthy inactive-Jason Jefferson may develop but I still don't think he is even a rotation talent for the long haul and McCargo, while starting to show talent, is coming off an injury that has a high chance of recurrence (Broken Foot--he's had it twice). Williams played a lot of NT the last game and did well--but we are wasting his talent there I believe--he is going to be a really good 3 and part of the run stopping solution..I think we need 2 NT's (one Vet free agent and one draftee) -- other's I know disagree... but I think we blow up the position--let McCargo compete and bring in 2 others....
It's funny because I studied redzone's list of free agent DTs and didn't see Myers name at all but remember thinking he was someone would should of pursued a few years ago. You'd think with his size that Myers be a three. Yet he's been a pretty strong tackler in Denver as he's registered over 30 tackles a season. I agree we need a vet NT and those on my short list are Ian Scott and Alvin McKinley (I know he's played DE the last two seasons but prior to that he was a DT and did play NT in college and is a very strong tackler). Yet I seem to recall that the Bills felt in training camp that in time McCargo could develop into a NT. Of course only time will tell. As to me a healthy McCargo, Triplett, Insert Free Agent, and Williams is a good rotational group of DTs so don't feel a need to draft anyone as let's not forget that Denney and Kelsay have also played DT as well.
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San Fran can do some damage they get some solid FA's they become an instant contender!
I didn't realize the Browns had so much room, I hope they don't intend to go after a kid from Shaker Heights, a streetcar suburb of Cleveland, that many of us know as Nate Clements.
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Secretly editing the Redskins draft sheet and getting them to draft the next Todd Collins - Priceless
They already have the original Todd Collins, isn't that priceless enough? Maybe instead we should hope they get the next Erik Flowers since they're desperate for a pass rusher.
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I have one question that always bothered me regarding the tagging of Nate Clements last year:
When Nate was tagged last year, why didn't any team jump up to make him an offer and negotiate with the Bills about a compensation. I agree that the basic tag was a 1st and 3rd or 2 1st rounders....But if there was a team that was desperate for CB help would have approached the Bills about getting him via a sign and trade (like Peerless Price). After all, a team like Seattle gave up a 1st rounder to a above average WR (as Hollywood Donahoe put it) in Deion Branch and gave him a 40M contract, why didn't any team step up to the plate at least to even look at that option....
I am sure the Bills would have gladly uploaded Clements if they were going to get a 1st or 2nd round pick back rather than carry a 7.5M CB on the team.
You're confusing a RFA with a franchised UFA. RFAs are players that have less then 4 seasons in the NFL and are tendered qualifying contracts and those tenders determine their compensation if lost. Ie the higher the tender the more another team most give up if a restricted free agent is signed and contract is not matched by his original team. The highest tender a team can place on a restricted free agent would provide them would be 1st and 3rd Rounder as compensation for losing him, the middle would be a 1st Rounder as compensation and the lowest would provide a pick equal to the draft in which the player originally entered the league. If no tender is given then the player becomes a free agent and free to sign with anyteam without compensation owed. Also players who get the lowest tender but were never drafted would not provide their original teams compensation (see how we got Rian Lindell).
In comparison a franchised player would be an UFA or a player that has played at least 4 NFL seasons. Also as Nanker pointed out in another thread their are two types of franchise tags theres: 1)An exclusive franchise means that the player has a salary of the avg of the top 5 players for this season or a raise of 120% from his prior years salary (whichever is higher). This is the franchise tag most commonly used and players hate because the player cannot negotite with any other teams. Interested teams have to reach trade compensation talks with the original clubs, before they can talk to the player about salary. 2) Then there's the unexclusive franchise tag which means that the player has a salary of the avg of the top 5 players at their position from last season or 120% raise again whichever is higher. The player can negotiate with any team, and if they sign an offer sheet that is not matched the new team owes 2 #1 picks. The teams usually negotiate a lesser compensation instead of using an offer sheet. I'm hoping Marv only promised Nate that he would not receive the exclusive franchise tag.
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Is there anyone smart enough to figure out the probablity of the Bills ever getting another HOF QB and therefore getting back to the SB?
I think its pretty low just because of the fact that there are so few franchises with two HOF QB?
There's a reason they're called "franchise" QBs as they're often a once in lifetime type player. While Jim Kelly was the best QB ever to where a Bills jersey I don't rate him among the all time greats. As think he compares to Jake Delhomme.
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hey- nice job....don't know how you came up with that though!
I came up with it by looking at what free agent CBs will be available and Ferell's resume. As both Fisher and Groce worked under Ferrell in 2003-2004 in St. Louis. It helped me come to the same conclusion that Kiwaukee Thomas had a good chance at making it as a depth CB when we first signed him. As many coaches seen to favor guys their familiar whether it be other coaches or players. It's another reason I think NT Ian Scott from the Bears might get a good luck due to him playing in Chicago when Fewell and Jauron were there. Not to mention MLB Wali Rainer have ties to Jauron in Detroit.
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Pittman looks like he'll be a good one, but the RB I think could end up being a steal for someone is Tony Hunt of PENN STATE. Yeah, yeah, I'm a fan, but this guy really is a great prospect. He runs very hard, is quite physical, can break tackles, is good in the open field, and is a capable receiver. If he doesn't wow everyone in workouts and @ the combine, he'll be a steal for someone. If he does, he could move into the late first/early second round (doubtful, but you never know). I say this because Pittman is a lot like Hunt, though he's better in the open field and can make people miss better than Hunt.
I've been touting Hunt the last few weeks. I'd love to see us grab him in the 3rd but with his Senior Bowl workouts he might not be available that late.
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I have a 2nd rd. pick!
My bad, it's Philly's which means we might be able to land a Fred Bennett, who might be good but don't expect him to be a difference maker as a rookie.
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They can help. The B'gals have got good service from ex-Raider CB Tory James..he signed on and helped out a very sorry secondary that had a good player playing cb out of position - S Kevin Kaesviharn, and FA Bobbie Williams from PHI replacing G Mike Goff who left to go to SD. Those are the two that come to mind that made a difference, although not the impact that Paup/Washington did for the Bills.
I'd add a good word for the FA, LB Kevin Hardy, who did a nice job for a podunk team. Also QB Neil O'Donnell. Both of 'em were good pros that played the best they could start to finish.
Bobbie Williams is a guy I had on my radar a few years ago but he's not as good as thought he was when he was with Philadelphia. Also. good lord, I didn't even know Hardy was still in the league! I remember the year the Jags drafted him and felt they made a mistake passing on Simeon Rice. There were a few years where he proved me wrong but as stated dang he totally disappeared off my radar until read this.
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- traded Willis McGahee and a 2nd for Houston's 1st picks.
- traded Nate Clements and the 12th overall pick to Tennesee for the Albert Haynesworth, the 19th overall pick, and their 3rd rnd. pick.
- I traded the 8th overall pick to PHI for their 1st and 2nd rd picks.
http://www.footballsfuture.com/phpBB2/view...ec0fba862ba7f5c
Why would Tennessee trade for an impending UFA like Clements? Landing Marshawn Lynch and Patrick Willis are nice but don't think worth the cost of McGahee AND Clements arguably the two best players we have on offense and defense. My question is how do you plan on replacing Nate especially with no 2nd Round pick? Lastly as good as Haynesworth might be, I'm not sure he's the run stuffing NT we need.
You wanted a grade, all things considered I'd have to go with a C-.
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What if the Bills tried to go all out in the first three draft picks by drafting Levi Brown 1st rd. (to play left guard), Josh Beekman (RG) in the 2nd and Mozes in the 3rd? Then pick the best defensive player or wideout left when the 4th round picks comes around. It seems reasonable that all three players will be there at the Bill's pick in those rounds.
If the Bills did this then maybe they could start to winning the battle of third and short, keep the chains moving (which is THE KEY late in NFL games) and keep our defense off the field.
Thoughts?
At first I thought you were going to advocate we pursue Ruben if he's let go by the Bears. Personally the likelihood of us drafting three O-lineman with our first three picks be very unlikely. Also have stated before feel Levi Brown might be the best RT prospect in the draft and forsee him more of a guy taken in the 20 something part of the draft then in the top 15. Beekman is definately on my radar for our 2nd Round pick. Mozes might be good but don't see an immediate need to upgrade center as feel Fowler is serviceable. I'd love to get some depth behind him but think we might be better off trading down in Round 3 and maybe pick up a few more picks in the middle rounds.
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I just thought I'd bring these two guys to everyone's attention. As both have a history playing under Perry Fewell in St. Louis. Of the two, I think Fisher has the more likelyhood of joining the Bills as Groce was an UFA last offseason and we didn't pursue him. Also Fisher is the better player and had his finest season (2003) when Fewell was the DB coach of the Rams. Of course one has to be concerned with his inabilty to stay healthy the last three seasons. While I don't think he's in Nate's class he might feel he can be a starting CB. Groce on the other hand has been a career nickel/dime CB. He could fill the same role here but don't expect us really lose Thomas but if we do always good to look at alternatives. Just thought I'd post something while was researching UFAs available. Feel free to add your thoughts/feelings.
Just a rant
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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Also in not getting O.J. we would never had gotten Jim Kelly due to the fact we acquired a pick from the 49ers that we turned into Tom Cousineau He was then traded from the Bills to the Cleveland Browns for a first round draft choice (14th overall) in the 1983 NFL Draft[3]. That pick was used on future Hall of Fame quarterback Jim Kelly. Of course had the 49ers held onto that top pick in 1979 they might have taken a QB named Phil Sims in the 1st Round instead of Joe Montana, who would have been available with the Bills 4th Round pick that was one pick after Joe was taken with the final pick of the 3rd Round...
Of course OT George Kunz was actually the second player taken overall (Keyes went 4th) and we did take a RB with our 2nd Round pick in that same draft we took OJ so things could have been further alterted. Or if want to go one step further we could have taken a DT named Joe Greene who went third overall. As we did take a DT with our top pick in 1970 named Al Cowlings who likely would have never been taken if never took OJ as well....