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Mayfield drops and we move up to 10 and get him

10) Mahommes 30) Foster (trade up to that spot)

He will save this franchise

FACT: He wore #12 at Tennessee... Tom Brady wears that same number now. FACT: He wore #4 at Pitt... Tom Brady has 4 Super Bowl MVPʻs. Perhaps we just found our new Tom Brady

is Deshaun Watson

5 QB's in the first round today... no trades to get them either Tribusky (Jets) vs Watson (Bills) for the new face of the AFC east after Brady retires. Mahommes (Browns) does what Manziel was supposed to do for Cleveland. Kizer (Texans) and Bill Obrien fall in love. Webb (Saints) sits behind Brees and becomes the next Rodgers

Another factor is the "first year head coach" angle. McD would definitely benefit from finding a QB that he can sit for a year and eventually plug in as "the guy". Like I mentioned many times before, if we get first pick at a QB at 10 I hope we pull the trigger. However if Bears/Jets go QB we better not settle just to get someone at the position. The true wild card will be if our top QB of choice is still around after those 2 teams take their guy, do we gamble and trade back hoping that guy will still be around? My answer is no. We ainʻt got enough chips on the table to gamble anymore. We canʻt be limping into pots anymore just to see the flop.

hearing that the ideal scenario is this: at 10 no QB is taken off the board... Texans give us the 25th pick and a first next year, we give them the 10. it would be awesome if they take Tribusky, and at 25 we take Mahommes even though we would have taken him at 10 anyway

Browns will jump to 6 to get him. Which means Watson/Mahomes is around at 10, and I think we have one of them as our top QB anyway. Just a matter of if we have a defender ranked higher than QB overall

there are also teams on that list who guessed right and made it to Super Bowls because of it

1) Mahommes 2) Watson 3) Trubisky 4) OJ Howard 5) Foster in that order

Boo to that article... the answer is EJ Manuel because reminded our franchise that we continuously guess wrong at QB but until you guess right you will NEVER make the playoffs... with the 10th pick this year hopefully we fix that

my 2 cents... we have "our guy" in mind, but want the Browns, Cardinals, Texans to think that "our guy" is "their guy". in a perfect situation those teams trade up to 10 and grab "their guy" so that we can grab "our guy" later along with an extra pick. my guess... "their guy" = Trubisky "our guy" = Mahomes extra pick = WR

Bills are going QB. It is clear now. However, are they in "wait and see who falls to us" mode, or are they in "trade up and get our guy" mode? That is the main question at this point. New coach = New QB. Tyrod is a one year rental to buy the new guy time to learn. We make the playoffs and Tyrod is a two year rental. Either way, McD is looking for his new franchise QB to start his head coaching career with.

Watching Tribusky could mean a few things: 1) They are doing their HW just in case he is around and at the 10 spot they see the value in drafting a potential franchise QB 2) They are selling the above to the teams below them to get a QB hungry team to trade up before them to allow the player they really want to fall one more spot

new head coach = new QB? http://www.outkickthecoverage.com/how-a-rookie-head-coach-derailed-a-rookie-quarterback-then-vanished-with-4-million-071515 The Bills last drafted a QB in the top 6 rounds back in 2007, when they took Trent Edwards in the 3rd round. After back to back 7-9 seasons, the team acquired Ryan Fitzpatrick, a 7th round selection from 2005 who bounced from the Rams to the Bengals. It was clear the Bills needed to upgrade their quarterback position after Fitzpatrick led them to a 6-10 record his first year and a 4-12 record the following year. But in 2011, they did not use the #3 overall pick on a quarterback, instead opting for Marcel Darius. Cam Newton was selected #1 overall, but after that, the following were available to the Bills: Andy Dalton, Colin Kaepernick, Jake Locker, Blaine Gabbert and Christian Ponder among others. In 2012, they still refused to draft a quarterback, and at #10 overall they selected Stephon Gilmore. Taken #1 and #2 in that draft were Andrew Luck and Robert Griffin. Ryan Tannehill was taken #8. Available to the Bills would have been Russell Wilson, Nick Foles, Brock Osweiler and Brandon Weeden among others. All of those classes vastly exceeded the quarterback talent in 2013. The other QBs selected in the first 4 rounds included Geno Smith, Mike Glennon, Matt Barkley, Ryan Nassib, Tyler Wilson and Landry Jones. A terrible draft class. But the Bills waited until 2013 and selected the top prospect in their opinion.

interesting thought: if we didnʻt blow those games agains the Jets/Dolphins and maybe even Seahawks we would have been drafting in the 20ʻs anyway so a trade down to that spot for a future first round pick isnʻt necessarily the end of the world if the QB you like is gone along with Howard/top WR on our board. having two first round picks in a draft is HUGE.

THIS... let's stay in the timeline I mentioned in the original post: 2008 - Matt Ryan (3) - NO CHANCE Atlanta trades that pick away (Dolphins and Rams at 1 and 2 wouldn't swap either cause they wanted Jake Long/Chris Long) 2009 - Matt Stafford (1) NO CHANCE Detroit gives up that pick when they needed a QB 2010 - Sam Bradford (1) same as above 2011 - Cam Newton (1) same as above 2012 - Andrew Luck (1) same as above 2013 - EJ Manuel (16) we traded up to get him, but was he really a "can't miss guy"? 2014 - Blake Bortles (3) we were at 4 that year 2015 - Jameis Winston (1) Marcus Mariota (2) - both teams were locked in at QB 2016 - Jared Goff (1) Carson Wentz (2) - same as above

another thought: for those on the "wait til next year" for a QB train. The only way you guarantee the top choice at a QB is to draft at #1. Any spot after that you are at the mercy of the teams in front of you. not saying the strategy shouldn't be done, just something you need to account for since in this example at 10 you have first crack at a QB.

Totally agree! 2014: Bortles, Manziel, Bridgewater, Carr, Garropollo Bortles: one great season, one bad season - jury still out but potential to remain a starter in the league Manziel: off season issues were red flags from the jump Bridgewater: was starting to gain momentum in the league but awful injury in practice derailed that Carr: arrows pointing up, incredible season Garropollo: high value now, small sample size, on a Super Bowl team so tough to call Letʻs say we are at 10 when these guys came out and none were drafted. Using my logic above here is how they would rank: Go with the guy who wins big games, and has proved it on the big stage = Terry Bridgewater Go with the guy who passes the eye test and seems like the safest bet = Blake Bortles Go with the guy who seems to have that "it" factor aka the wild card = Johny Manziel (looking at on field performance only) I personally would have drafted Terry Bridgewater at 10, and if you take away the fluke injury at practice I think our team would be in a good place right now with him at QB. Obviously in hindsight waiting and grabbing Carr in the second round would be the ideal move but that would be a stretch and not really hold ground to this convo of the 1st round QB dilemma.

my opinion: if no QB is taken by #9 it really comes down to our scouts/GM getting first crack at guessing who the franchise QB is from the group. I am confident that one exists in this batch, and it is up to us to FINALLY guess right. If you do, playoff drought ends. If you guess wrong? Well, that is when the owners need to decide if you are a right fit for the job or not. Getting "first dibs" on guessing (all drafts are a guess) who the franchise guy is at the QB position is very rare and usually up to the team who holds the #1 pick. Even at 10, if no QB is taken, then theoretically itʻs as if we are a team who needs a QB and has the first pick in the draft. Even if you are on the "wait until next years draft, there are better QBʻs" you are still going to be guessing at which one is better and most likely wonʻt get the first crack at taking the guy you feel is best. With that said, we all have our guesses on who the franchise guy could be and the logic is usually based on the following: Go with the guy who wins big games, and has proved it on the big stage = Deshaun Watson Go with the guy who passes the eye test and seems like the safest bet = Mitch Trubisky Go with the guy who seems to have that "it" factor aka the wild card = Pat Mahomes I am fine with either because I see the positive in all three options. However if my job was on the line? I go with the guy whom I watched square up against an Alabama defense that was filled with first round prospects and win a national title doing so. I have him sit a year behind Tyrod and watch a QB with similar skills run an offense and learn. If we have a winning season next year then good for us, and good for Deshaun as he can continue to learn. If the wheels start falling off towards the end of the season I slowly plug in Watson at QB and cut ties with Tyrod at the end of the year. Next years first round pick can now be used to move our new team forward with our new QB.

if no QB is taken in the top 9... do you? A) Trade back with a team that wants a QB and knows that the Saints/Browns are likely to go that route. My guess is Arizona would probably want to move up 3 spots to get the guy they want, but other teams are also in play here. Moving down you will gain more picks however you could potentially lose "the guy" you have at the top of your board. No matter how you slice it, itʻs a gamble. B) Take the top QB in the draft. There is value at #10 to get first crack at "guessing" the right QB in this draft. The last time a QB did not go in the top ten believe it or not was EJ Manuel and we ended up taking him at #16 (which did not pan out). However since 2008 here are who and where the top 2 QBʻs went in each draft... 2008 - Matt Ryan (3) Flacco (18) 2009 - Matt Stafford (1) Sanchez (5) 2010 - Sam Bradford (1) Tim Tebow (25) 2011 - Cam Newton (1) Jake Locker (8) 2012 - Andrew Luck (1) RG3 (2) 2013 - EJ Manuel (16) Geno Smith (39) 2014 - Blake Bortles (3) Johny Manziel (22) 2015 - Jameis Winston (1) Marcus Mariota (2) 2016 - Jared Goff (1) Carson Wentz (2) C) Fill other needs and let the QBʻs continue to tumble down the draft. Get the guy we want, and move on.

McDermott as Head Coach McCoy as OC trade the 10 to San Diego for Phillip Rivers Super Bowl

Eagles got the 2 pick... rumor dead

the trade is going down and we are gonna draft Buckner and sign Fitzy back - the life of a Bills fan