Cynical

And you would breathe a sigh of relief if the Bills starting DT's went on IR? How about the DE's?

Fixed it for you.

I never said pro football was that simple. You attempted to show there was no correlation, and you failed. The correlation does exist. Now, go waste your time trying to figure out why Jauron coached teams tend to lose. Develop your little theories and concepts. When each one fails, you will create another new excuse in defense of Jauron. Meanwhile, the rest of us have already looked, and have concluded all we need to look at is the big picture. Dick Jauron is a loser. In pro football, like real life, sometimes the most obvious answer and the most obvious solution are the most correct. Jauron coach team, team lose.

Fixed it.

You're partially right. This is no correlation among ALL 3 items. Just like there is no correlation among ALL of the following 3 items: Jauron coach team, defense gets 6 turnovers and scores 2 TDs, team lose. That's because the middle item in both examples are extraneous. The result was the same. But there is one constant in both examples: JAURON coach TEAM, TEAM lose. It was like that in 4 out 5 years in Chicago, and 3 out 3 years in Buffalo. 2 different teams. 2 different ownership 2 different coaching staffs 2 different rosters 2 different sets of divisional opponents 1 constant Jauron coach team, team lose. That is a very direct correlation.

Like coaching a team to a winning record 1 season out of 8.

You are so confused, you have no clue what you are talking about: Whitner was drafted #8 overall in 2006 McKelvin was drafted #11 overall in 2007 Byrd was drafted in the 2nd round in 2009 That's THREE in the first 2 rounds in 4 years. By why stop at just the first 2 rounds? Lets count them all up in 2006, they drafted 3 DB in 2007, they drafted 1 DB in 2008, they drafted 3 more DBs in 2009, they drafted 4 more DBs Total drafted: 11 DBs Total # of draftees: 34 That makes almost one third of all draftees were DBs since the Dick has been here. ONE THIRD. Throw in 2 first rounds and 1 second, and it almost becomes sickening Note: that does not include free agent DBs such as Florence Secondly, Butler was drafted in 2006 Fowler was signed in 2006 Walker and Dockery were both signed in 2007.

It will be easier to pay two contracts when the stadium is full than it will be to pay for one when the stadium is less than half full.

Yes it is. Between Thurman last year (IIRC) and now Kelly, how can any rational person believe the big problem with this team is just a "lack" of talent? Those guys clearly pointed out the problem in a tactful way: the problem is coaching, specifically, the HC. The HC dictates the philosophy and system of how everything works on a team. Even good players can become complacent when it becomes evident nobody is held accountable for individual mediocre effort.

This quote stuck out like a sore thumb. With all the changes we have seen this off season, this will be Jauron's swan song as a HC. Ralph just handed DJ the rope he will swing by. Excuse time is over.

I wonder how many of the same people stating they would never take him as a coach NOW, would have defended him if he won those SB as the HC of the Bills.

Can I mail order her ...

Just a guess, 1 winning season out of 8? A pathetic record vs. the better teams during the year? A collapse so epic, the Bills are only the third team in the history of the NFL to do it? So what? Again, so what? We know what kind of HC we have now. A suck ass one. If we cannot have an established winner, I'll take my chances with an up and comer. Heck, the Bills could end up with the next Bill Cowher.

Actually, we need something pinned and can be updated when needed. That way, we can just click on the thread and instantaneously know who's been bad and who's been good.

See if you can follow along: 1978 - HC of KC => 1 1979 - HC of KC => 2 1980 - HC of KC => 3 1981 - HC of KC => 4 1982 - HC of KC => 5 1983 - Was not a HC in the NFL => still sitting at 5 1984 - Was not a HC in the NFL => still sitting at 5 1985 - Was not a HC in the NFL => still sitting at 5 1986 - Took over as HC for the Bills during the season => wasn't a full season, but we will say it is, 6 1987 - Bills HC => 7 1988 - Bills HC => 8 Looks like you are off. Even if you count it your way, you are still off.

Old? He's not even 30 yet. So you can't even say he's old by NFL standards.

I have 2: Bills vs. LA Raiders, AFC Championship game Bills 51, Raiders 3 Bills picked off the Raiders 6 times, and rolled up 500+ yards on offense 'Nuff said. Second game. I do not remember the opponent other the the Bills won. I do remember the side show. Nice looking drunk Canadian chick kept flashing me and my friends during the game. Her boyfriend got annoyed with her antics. It also may had something to do with the "words of encouragement" my friends and I were giving her .

And if your writing ability was even remotely near as strong as your unbridled love for DJ, you would not have written something like this: Note how you did NOT say his first season plus some games ... But if that is how desperate you are in trying to prove the greatness of DJ, fine. Let's take a closer look: BB coached the Browns for 5 years, plus one year in NE 6 seasons x 16 games (per season) = 96 games Now you want to include only the first 4 games of of his second season in NE: 96 + 4 = 100 games DJ coached the Bears for 5 years, and we will throw in the his first year with the Bills: 6 x 16 = 96 Now we have to include a partial year for DJ. And luckily for us, DJ already has one: from Detroit where he was the HC for 5 games. 96 + 5 = 101 Obviously, 100 does not equal 101. And in all fairness, we want it to be equal. So how do we fix this disparity. We could remove one game from DJ, but that would not be right. Because if we did it that way, we would be leaving out games out from the past of both coaches. Both coaches did coach in a playoff game(s). Since your argument is based on BB pre-Brady, and those playoff games for BB were pre-Brady ... DJ coached in one (and lost), and BB coached in 2 (won one) Let's add those playoff games in: BB => 100 + 2 = 102 games coached DJ => 101 + 1 = 102 games coached Even amount of games, all accounted for, both being their first 102 games as a HC, and all the games BB coached pre-Brady. Let's add those wins up: BB => 6 + 7 + 7 + 11 + 1 (playoff game he won) + 5 + 5 + 1 (his one win from his 2nd season in NE) = 43 DJ => 6 + 5 + 13 + 4 + 7 + 1 (from his time in Detroit) + 7 (his first season in Buffalo) = 43 Same number of wins. Same number of games coached. Looks like your attempt to spin has failed again. Hell, after 3 seasons, DJ was near .500, the highest winning percentage in his entire coaching career. He should have retired then. His reputation would have been intact, and we would not be subjected to his incompetent coaching now.

Cynical thinks Donte needs to shut his yap, and focus on how he can be real leader on this team. Cynical thinks if Donte put in as much effort into winning as he does into defending a coach, we might not have to worry about what Donte thinks about the team critics. Cynical wonders how Donte would respond to a REAL head coach.

Please do look at Marv's pre-Bills days. In KC, the number of wins per season improved under Marv. His last year being the exception. By his 8th year as a HC, Levy took the Bills to the AFC championship game (where he lost to the Bengals). In Buffalo, we are still waiting for the DICK to prove he can produce a winning season.

How is it ironic? Moulds wasn't bashing TO, Moulds was taking shots at the Bills coaching staff. And he's right. You can choose to deny it all you want. One winning season out of eight says otherwise. And guess what TO has done in the past: called out a coach and his staff.

Do you get a headache from all the "spinning" you do? After 7 seasons, BB had compiled a record of 52-60. Jauron compiled a record of 49-63. (not counting playoffs) Please explain to everybody how Jauron had a better winning % than BB after 7 seasons. Oh, you must have meant after 6 years. BB - 41-55 DJ - 42-54 There you go. A 1 game difference. You are so right. BB was so much more horrendous than DJ.

Okay. In comparing last years line to this year (on paper): LT - the same or worse (probably worse) - a slow footed LT is going to struggle against the elite pass rushers LG - the same of worse (probably same) - Dockery was far from great and he wasn't the worst player on the line, but he is being replaced by a rookie C - should be an upgrade - Fowler /Preston sucked RG - worse - a player many people on this board feel was the best lineman is getting replaced by a rookie RT - the same - Walker was a decent RT, and I expect Butler to be at least that.

I hate to burst your bubble, but the majority of the people working in America are working under a "contract". Yes, even Joe Blow at Wegmans. Did you even bother reading those papers you signed when you got hired? You might be surprised at what they say. I see. He's a millionaire. That makes it "different". Apparently millionaires do not work in environments that may cause them to have responsibilities that are different from one position to another.