Cynical

Butler cannot stay healthy, and because of that, is only as good as his back up. Time to start looking for Butler's replacement. Edwards is done as a potential starter. Jauron has severely crippled Edwards' future. It would take a couple of years of proper coaching to undo the damage Jauron has done. As this point, Edwards still has a future as a back up.

Hell no. Get a real HC first. It won't take a real HC long to figure out if Trent sucks or not. Thus we got rid of them both (if needed).

I agree change is the only answer. But as I keep stating, changing right NOW will have little to impact on the team, both short and long term. In fact, changing now may be worse in the short term. There is only 1 exception to that rule: If the HC they hire NOW is expected to be the HC next year (ala Singletary in SF)

Magic must have run out. Tate got benched.

Erin the Esurance girl

'Quit' as in 'just going through the motions'. Not giving a crap if they win or lose. I know, I know. How can we tell now.

I have passed this 'establishment' numerous times over the years, and have seen his signs. Linky Nah, he's not racist. Not in the least.

Yeah, he didn't look good vs. Bama. And Bama plays a pro style defense (keep in mind, BB* and Saban compare notes in the off season). I'll reconsider Mallet during his senior year, but based on right now, no way.

I get the concept of "Well, the Bills are going to suck regardless, so why not change? What's the worst that will happen? We win?" And "The faster we part ways with Dick, the faster the team can rebuild." The problem is firing the HC during the season rarely results in producing a winning season. Playoffs? Forget it. And unless you plan on making some other coach presently on the team the head coach after the year, disposing of Dick now will do nothing in 'speeding' up the rebuilding. The new HC will probably want to select his own staff, and install his own schemes. There is one more point. The players love "Dick". Firing Jauron now, and installing April as the HC may not go over well with the players. They may just quit on the organization for this year, preferring to take their chances next year with the new HC.

For sakes. I am trying to enjoy the game, and the damn announcers keep yammering about Tebow. At this point in time, I could give a about Tebow.

Depends. Assuming the loss, and the change takes place during the following week, then probably not. Changing the HC during the season pretty much means the FO has "given up" the season. As bad as Jauron is (and he really is ugly bad), he stills give the Bills the "best" chance to win every week during the season.

True. Hoping/wishing is quite different from expecting. I hope and wish by some miracle the Bills win the next 12 games, but the reality is, I am expecting something less.

I gave the 3 obvious options. Even if we do agree Trent is getting some kind of coaching, we have no idea if it's good or bad. Yes, he can. Question: What framework is Trent using to make the decision to change the play? Answer: The same framework the coaches have been using. Problem: If the audible fails, was it because of Trent, or was it because the framework he is using? 1. Just recently, AVP blamed himself for not adjusting to what was on the field, and taking advantage of the opportunities being presented. (Saints game I believe?) Issue: AVP is the OC/QB Coach, and trying to work within the constraints and scheme dictated by the head coach. AVP is also the guy directly working with Trent Edwards. 2. What is the overall concept Jauron has been pushing since he has been here? Turn overs and field position. IIRC, he even mentioned these two things when he first took the HC job. If you honestly think Jauron and staff does NOT emphasize "Do Not Turn the Ball Over", there are numerous coaching decisions over the years that emphasize those tenets we can go back and look at, and I seriously doubt those decisions had anything to do with his QB. 1. No, one play does not. However, Jauron has been a HC for 8+ years. How is his track record? 2. He was justified when the play ended in an INT. Would he have been justified if Evans caught the ball? How about if the pass was incomplete? Your reply still did not refute the evidence: Jauron and staff told Edwards NOT to throw a pass they considered "risky". Only an "insider" who has privy to personal information and what is going on can answer that question. Us "outsiders" can only look at the "evidence we see". And unfortunately, bad coaching looks pretty much like bad playing. In short, properly executed bulls*** looks exactly like s***. Like I said earlier, the only way to determine how much is on the coaches and how much is on Edwards, we will need to separate the two to find out. For the record: I am not sold on Edwards as a starting QB. But if I had to choose option or the other, given Jauron's less than stellar history, I'm willing to jettison the HC before throwing Edwards on the trash heap.

These factors can possibly be fixed with proper coaching. (ie. working with the QB on his footwork, throwing motion, etc ..) Since by your admission, you have no privy what's goes on behind the scenes, you have no way on knowing if Edwards is getting proper coaching (and having no impact), getting bad coaching, or getting no coaching at all (which is essentially "bad" coaching). Therefore, you have no way of showing those attributes happen strictly because Edwards suck. Again, by your own admission, you have no privy what goes on behind the scenes. Therefore, you have no idea what plays were called, what the reads are, etc .... And because of that, you have no idea if he has been coached NOT to take those chances. Case in point: During his rookie year vs. Baltimore, Trent Edwards threw a pick deep in Bills territory. On this board, Bills fans were pissed the intended WR (Evans) didn't fight for the ball (and thus was not "fighting for his QB"). After the game, both Edwards and the coaching admitted, prior to the play, the coaching staff told Edwards NOT to make that throw. We can look back at that play from 2 perspectives: 1. Proper coaching that Trent chose to ignore (bad Trent) 2. Trent took a gamble, paid for it then, and is paying for it now because the coaching staff emphasizes "safe" plays over everything else (bad Coaching) I'll repeat what Edwards said during the preseason: He plays the way he is coached. And considering Edwards has had only ONE head coach his entire NFL career, until the two are separated, there is no real way to determine how much of his bad play is coaching, and how much is him.

Yes. And by the way, almost all the other NFL teams use the same philosophy. Linky

And you know this based on what? What you see? And how do you know what "you see" are attributable to only to Edwards? As Edwards said during the preseason: He plays the way he is coached.

No kidding. I wasn't implying the team itself should/will stop playing, but in reality, this is what the OP wants them to do. I know this is hard for people to grasp, but "understanding" does NOT automatically mean "agreeing". Just because I do not agree with the rationale, that does not mean I do not understand it. I get the concept, I understand the rationale. But if you think Wilson will not cut loose Dickie after posting a 4th consecutive 7-9 record, what makes it certain Ralph will cut him loose if the Bills post a 1-15 record? I want Dick Jauron gone as much as the next guy. In fact, IF the Bills do not make the playoffs, I hope, regardless of their W-L record, when the team leaves Rich Stadium after the final game, the security guards surround Jauron, escort him off the field, through the tunnel, out the stadium, across the parking lot, and into the middle of Abbott Rd. At which point, the guards give Dickie a cell phone, and this message: "Mr. Wilson thanks you for you time and effort, but your services are no longer needed. Mr. Wilson would also like to convey you are no longer allowed to step even one foot onto Buffalo Bills property. You may use the cell phone to contact someone for a ride. You may keep the phone as part of your severance package. By the way, the phone is a prepay type, and you only have 10 minutes."

I get the concept, and I even understand the rationale behind it. I just cannot wish/hope my team loses, and I will never be happy when they do. If that makes me a "homer", then I am a "homer". I respect the OP opinion, and I am not calling him/her a "bad" fan. Their a "good" fan (they want the same thing we all want), but I disagree on what actions to take. If the whole concept is to lose in order to get the coach fired and/or better draft picks, than why bother playing? Just forfeit the games. Hell, then I would not have to worry about missing anything.

Is it maniacal laughter? Ok. Maybe I need to loosen up my thought. I will never be HAPPY with a Bills loss.

Everybody has the right to their own opinion. No matter how bad the coaching/playing is, I will NEVER smile when the Bills lose, even when they are "bad". Being "bad" makes the loss more depressing and frustrating. I want the agony to end, and I want it to end ASAP.

I don't think I have ever said it before, but good job. Keep up the good work. Problem is Dick has blamed "himself" numerous times in the past 4 years. By taking the blame in order to cover for other coaches and players (i.e. Jets, Meadowland, JP rollout, 2008), it has become impossible to tell if he's sincere, or just blowing more smoke. For all the times he has taken the blame, nothing seems to change.

And Wayne Fontes was also Coach of the Year at one time, so you know he's "good". Jauron needs only 3 4 5 6 more years. Everybody knows a head coach needs at least 4 10 years to fully implement their system. Besides, it's the players fault. They are the ones not coming up with any solution to these problems. Jauron's only responsibility is winning a second COTY award, and the players are letting him down.

And if I am Ralph, I'm telling DJ "And your evaluations helped put us in this position. When do you expect to start taking responsibilities for your own poor decisions? How does NOW sound?"

Got to love Jauron and his apologists. Maybe our first round draft choice this year can help. Oh wait, he's a one trick pony DE. He "might" be good in a couple of years.

Horse hockey. You must have missed the entire Jauron regime. Today is only one example of numerous embarrassing performances.