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Trent got injured in the 6th game vs. the Jets. Fitzpatrick started the following two games. Then in week 15, Trent got injured again, and was lost for the season. (so at the very least he would have missed 2 more games).

It's not about McNabb. YOU think the name is relevant because YOU place such a high value on McNabb. I'll post this in the simplest form possible. It is NOT about the Bills going after QB xxxxx, it's about the Bills going for a QB. Period. How would you feel if you found if the Bills went after Campbell? Go back and read Red's post #50. He gets it more than you do.

Fine. The GB coaching staff felt so highly of Brohm, they waived him. TWICE.

You and Alpha should not be focusing on the name "McNabb". The name of the QB is irrelevant. I mentioned McNabb because he was the only QB that was considered to be starting quality, in that he could come to Buffalo and start immediately. The point was the Bills attempted to sign a QB to be the starter. If the Bills were really comfortable with who they already had, they would not be willing to sign another QB.

1. This coming year will be Brohm's third year in the NFL. When the Bills snagged him, Brohm was NOT a rookie. 2. People on this board watch preseason games so they can see how players are doing. Are you assuming Packer fans do not? 3. People on THIS board are passing judgment on Brohm based on a SINGLE SOLITARY game. Yet, somehow those Bills fans know more than the Packer fans?

Problem was that "hot" start was not overly "hot" to begin with. 4 games, 4 TDs. The Bills went 4-0 because the teams they played were crappy.

Which is ironic considering people on this board are judging Brohm (good and bad) based a on SINGLE game. You do realize that the PS gets to practice with the regular team? So the GB coaching staff had seen this kid for 2 full off seasons, training camps, preseason, etc ..., and 1.5 years of practices during the regular season. What does Chan and company have? Game film from the one time he played, and some OTAs. So yes, I do think the GB coaches know more about Brohm than Gailey (at this point) based on the simple fact Gailey has not done anything with Brohm yet. This last part says it all. You need to pay attention to Nix and Gailey more. They have consistently said they will not over pay to fill a position of need and that all the problems will not be fixed in one year. Nix and Gailey are as confident about the current QB position as they are of the current LT position. IIRC, they said both positions needed to be addressed.

It's called "preseason". He did start and play in some of those while in GB.

Actually in defense of ND (oh my GOD!), the video is a faculty-student production. It is NOT an official ND video release. Award winning musician Freekbass? I didn't realize the Cincinnati Entertainment Awards was such a prestigious honor. Now, if you will excuse me, I must go "cower* in the corner" over the sheer magnificence of this video. * Actually I am lmao at the video

Your adoration for Brohm is known, but this post is a classic case of spin. Those fans don't know much about him? They know more than we do. Others talk about him as if he was there for more than 1.5 years? They did get to see him for 2 training camps, and that's 2 more than we got see from him here. "He has been so far off the radar, even in GB because of the emergence of Rodgers ..." Are you honestly trying to stay that GB literally FORGOT about Brohm because Rodgers panned out? Seriously? But they paid attention to the seventh round pick Flynn? "NO ONE, not even the GB Packers staff, really knows where he is at in his development." "In fact, our staff is about the only people who can really say for sure if the kid is progressing or not as they have seen him how he is now in practice." Oh, come on. Brohm spent 2 training camps in GB, and the coaches there got a first hand view of how the kid played in preseason. They know what plays were called, and they know he reacted during those plays. But only the Buffalo staff knows anything about him because of some OTA's? Let's see how he reacts when the pads are on, and they are hitting. Having him running around in shorts playing catch with the WR won't tell the staff a whole lot regarding his ability to play during a game. Yeah, the Bills were so confident with those 3 they contacted the Eagles about trading for McNabb. I like Brohm (at this point) because he is not Edwards or Fitzpatrick, but I think this is Brohm's last chance. Either he stands up and shows the Bills he CAN lead this team* forward, or I expect the Bills will be looking for a QB next off season. *Winning the QB battle will not cut it. He needs to play like a franchise QB.

So what's the plan if a renter/buyer has a house fire?

I got to admit, there is a whole lot of irony in his idea.

You mean that thing was actually alive?

This ain't team Jauron no more. 19-0, Baby!

Here's the issue. There's is an investment banker. You're it. IMHO, I am with KD and DC on this. You have a good idea but you really need to put some thought into this. As KD stated, you can't ignore the time value of money. What you are putting into and what you are expecting out of it will be diminished over time. What was the interest rate he spouted: 8%? Eek. Dealing with the people you are expecting with to deal with, I would want something twice that.

Isn't that the problem with today's real estate market?

He can sell the house for whatever he wants. If it's 400% over FMV, that does leave only 2 options to pay for it: cash up front, or he holds the note (which he essentially is doing).

I was thinking along the lines of "A". I think that's a fair grade. Oh, by the way, my rating system consists of 2 grades: A or B. It's a simple system based on whether the draft sucked or it didn't.

In Georgia, bank can demand payment in full at any give time (the same in other states?). So technically, they can start at any time. IIRC, there is no "standard" regarding length of time. Unless the length is written into a contract, the courts generally consider 3 payment periods behind "delinquent". Mortgage companies will generally send out the nasty foreclosure letter 45 - 60 days past due. That way, by the third month, the house is already being advertised for auction in the local paper. So at the most you might get 3-4 months free living. *payment periods can be daily, weekly, bi-weekly, etc ...

Foreclosure process varies from state to state is greatly impacted by if the state is considered a "power of attorney" state. If the state allows a "power of attorney" clause in the loan agreement, the entire process can skip the court system, and can be finished fairly quickly. IIRC, in Texas, the foreclosure process can last 3 weeks, and in Georgia, 4 weeks.

I thought the guy was cut because he made some major boneheaded decisions like spiking the ball on 4th down. And this was after sitting behind Kelly for 2 years. And despite his little outing in Washington, the guy spent his entire career as a back up for a reason.

Do you honestly think other football teams are looking at this board (or others) and going "Gee, we were going to offer the Bills a second round pick for the guy, but after those comments, I would not give nothing more than a fifth." Secondly, considering Nix and Gailey have thumbed their nose at the media, do you honestly think they are paying attention to any fan board? Thirdly, some players can handle criticism from fans and others cannot. My guess is, the ones that do not probably do not pay attention to any of the fan boards. So in answer to your question: it has little to no impact. The only other people reading this board are other fans. I seriously doubt the relevant people (in this organization or others) read the board or care what we say. Gailey and the coaching staff will choose the starting QB regardless of what the fan base desires. If Trent wins it, so be it. My hats off to him for stepping up and taking the bull by the reins In fact, who ever wins, my hats to him. Let's get some victories.

First, I never said nor implied you were a fan of Edwards OVER being a fan of the team. If that's what you took from my post, then let me apology, that's not what I intended. You are a fan of the team first, just like everybody else on here. You can be a fan of the team first, AND be a fan of a certain player(s). In fact, most of us are that way. We prefer certain players over other players. Just like the Lynch/Jackson/Spiller debate. Who starts, who stays, who goes. And just because Trent Edwards is on the team does not mean he is "fan" of team. As I pointed out in my post, there are numerous players who play football for the simple reason they have the ability to do so, and they will get paid millions to do it. They could care less if the team they are playing for wins or losses. As long as they are cashing big paychecks, it's all good. And I am sorry. Until I see proof otherwise, Trent is a "paycheck" collector, nothing more. I can point to his own statements. I can point to his own behavior during a game. I can point to reports regarding his relationship to other players (he's well liked, respected, but nobody considers him to be the leader.) If you consider those to be BS, fine. But how much BS is it compared to statements as Trent gives 110% on every play, people will not be able to question his leadership ability, has this will and desire to win, etc ... Talk about BS. Where's the proof? Got any? Side note: It is possible for a player to become a player and a "fan" and vice versa. Think Randy Moss. It was all about the big check until he hit 30. Now it's about the ring. He even took a pay cut hoping to get one.

Course you're not. But ... Typical basic argument of someone who wants Trent. Because the OC and the LT were both fired and released right before the season started, we cannot judge the performance of any QB. Got it. Where's Fitz's upside? Whoops! And how did you come to this conclusion that "Fitz is a backup at best"? 1. Really? Based on what? OC and LT were both fired before 2009 season, not allowed to make judgments of QB performance because of that (according to you), what else you got? The abysmal 2008 season where Trent earned the moniker Capt. Checkdown and showed he was continually baffled by 3-4 defenses? How are you judging Fitz (since you cannot use last year, according to you)? Brohm? 2. According to you, we cannot judge the performance of a QB who's OC and LT were both let go before the season started. But in formulating point number 2, you just violated your own limitation. Nah, you are not a Trent "supporter". Not at all. Not in the least.

His personal performance he probably cares about. (And he has made statements that seem to point this out) The outcome of the game and the team's overall performance? Yes, I am saying he does not care. Win or lose, he still is collecting a paycheck. I have seen nothing he said or done to prove otherwise. It is not uncommon to find people working in jobs and careers for the simple reason they posses the ability to do so. They could care less how the company performs. As long as they are performing well enough to earn the paycheck they want, it's good enough. What's ridiculous is assuming athlete's are immune from this concept. I guess the likes of Willis McGahee and the Mike Williams never make it to the NFL level. Or Jason Peters or Albert Haynesworth or Nate Clements, etc ... I could go back years and rattle off names of players who are more worried about the money than they are about wining or losing. Wha?! You mean a person who actually cares about the outcome did not want to play for team he felt was not going to win? Hey, thanks for supporting my argument where "fans" have an emotional interest in their team winning and losing. Even when he eventually came to Buffalo, Kelly still gave a rat's ass whether or not the team won or lost. That's because he was a "fan". I think it does. It represents a snapshot into Trent's leadership abilities, or lack thereof. Kelly was a player and a "fan". He hated losing. And he did his best to push and motivate his teammates to win. Talley was a player and a "fan". Before each game, Talley used run up and down the sidelines challenging each player to make an impact play. Edwards? As he himself stated, he's not a "fan", he's just a player. And it shows. I get it. You and Dog are a "fan" of Edwards. And it shows.