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That would be Lonnie "!@#$ing" Johnson

Sure it was. That was Jauron's attempt. He WANTED an inept offense. First, Trent did NOT lead a 4th quarter comeback win vs the Rams. The Bills were down 14-13 entering the 4th quarter, and that changed with Greer's pick 6. By the time goober threw his first TD, the Bills were already ahead. Second, look at his stats again. 4 TD's in 4 games. Did you know all 4 came in the 4th quarter? The drubbing of Seattle? Thank you Special teams. 2 FG by Lindell, a punt return for a TD by Parrish, and a Moorman pass to Denney for a TD on a FG attempt. Goobers TD was the last score of the game. Third, in 2008 Raiders were 5-11, and defensively were 24th in points and 27th in yards Seattle was 4-12, and defensively was 25th in points and 30th in yards Rams were 2-14, and defensively were 31st in points and 28th in yards Jax was 5-11, and defensively was 21st points, and 17th in yards Other than Jax, those were some god awful defenses, and even Jax, at best, was below average. Non-linear post concussion syndrome, phantom concussions, ... whatever excuse works for you. Can we just stick a fork in him and move on?

Jesus H, you are all over the place. Then what did you indicate? Because from my perspective (and many others), it sure as hell sounds like you thought he could be the starter. When Thoner 7 stated: "So is a 5th too much for a starting QB?", you agreed by stating: "Exactly! You get it." Your own thread title "Troy Smith more than a back up" seems to indicate you think he could be starter. And when I pointed out that nobody actually states that 'Smith is more than a back up', you replied: Now you are saying you never indicated Smith should be the full time starter. He's more than a back up, but not a starter? What the hell is he? And if you do not think he has the capability to be a starter, then why should the Bills spend a draft pick to acquire him? And as Edwards Arm has already pointed out, Donte thought highly of Edwards, and so did Bill Walsh. How did that work out? What makes you believe Reed's evaluation of a QB is any better than Donte's or Walsh's? Here's a concept. Maybe Reed's comments are not necessarily his indication of Troy Smith's ability of being "more than a back up", but of his indication of Bulger's inability to lead a team. As I and others have pointed out: a player sticking up for a teammate. Imagine that.

Christ, I needed a good laugh ...

First, it would be teammate (singular), not teammates (plural). One man, Reed. Actually, no it's not. I cannot even begin to count the number of times players on different teams, over the years, have said the very same thing about their back up QB. They all believe their back up QB is capable of leading them to the ultimate goal. If they truly don't believe that, then the team is in big trouble if the starter goes down. IIRC, during the glory years, even the Bills felt that could win it all under Reich. And for all we know, Reed and Smith could be close friends on the team, and Reed is just sticking up for Smith. See 1, 2, 3 in my previous post, especially #2. Don't focus on who he is, but on what he is: a QB. McNabb. Again, don't focus on who he is, but on what he is.

Some people just cannot accept the fact the Bills are doing things the Nix/Gailey way, and not their way. Both have been pretty straight forward with how they want to approach things, and when the Bills go out and do it (just like they said they would), some posters are shocked, and do not understand why the Bills did "that way".

Or as Nix/Gailey have stated: Cannot fix everything in one year 1st and 2nd round draft picks are expected to start immediately Will not over pay to acquire players From everything I have seen, the Bills had 2 OT in mind they would have grabbed at the 9th position, if they were available. They were not. Actually, no. They wanted Bradford. He was gone by the 9th pick. They tried to acquire a veteran starting QB. They are going with what they have, because they felt what was available was not necessarily better and/or needed additional development. The Bills already have projects. Bringing in more projects solves nothing, except for making fans like you happy. Actually, none of Troy's team mates are stating Troy "is more than a back up". The title of the article is "Ed Reed: Troy Smith more than qualified to be a back up". Or as Reed says: "I honestly think Troy was the guy and is the guy [at the backup spot]. . . ." Nothing in there stating Smith being a "more than a back up". If you follow some of the links, Flacco defends both Smith and Beck, saying how well he got along with those two. He doesn't know how well he'll get along with Bulger, and there might be some tension between them. If anything, from reading some of the other links, Flacco feels threatened by Bulger's signing.

Cool! The next time some member of the Flutie cult starts yammering about 21-whatever, I will gladly remind him/her that stats are for losers, especially non-existent stats.

Going from Lee > Josh is one hell of a typo. Brain 'fart' is more likely. I would have over looked it, except he didn't mention the "guy from Oakland"s name, nor did he bother to mention any of the "pile of others at WR". How hard is it to remember guys like Green and Hardy? Especially when the one is expected to be the starting RT. I have no problem with the optimism, but hell, at least have a clue with who's who and what's happening. The poster comes across as one of those idiots at the Bills game trying to get everybody to cheer when the Bills offense is coming to the line. But hey, those idiots are optimistic too!.

Some, yes. A ton? No. Agree on both parts. Funny. I distinctly remember you sunshine pumpers just raving about the no huddle last year. Couldn't wait for it. It was going to help the young Oline. It was going to help Trent Edwards. And the addition of TO, easily top 15 or better offense. I'll give you Roscoe has speed. But route running and separation seem to be an issue with him. At 5'9" and 170 lbs, getting separation is vital because I don't think he will win that many battles for the ball. I am speechless. Josh Evans, a guy from Oakland to play RT, a pile of others at WR, .... Do you even have a clue who is on the team? We have issues at tackle, but we got Bell and Meredith to work at LT? Those guys aren't solving the issues at tackle, THEY ARE the issues. Yes, and there is a real possibility that person is not the roster this year.

Only partially correct. Professional football is entertainment. College football is do or die in the SE.

You are basing this statement on what exactly? Hope? Last year, the Bills were more competitive under Fitzpatrick than they were under Trent. And nobody really knows how Brohm will play.

Trent looked good last year during TC. That's right. Big difference. Let's see what happens when the pads go on, and the hitting starts happening for real.

Brohm is ineligible for the practice squad.

IIRC, Kelly did take a beating in the USFL. Furthermore, Kelly missed several games in 1985 due to an injury, but still managed to toss 4,623 yards and 39 TDs. Linky Feel free to check the video library of this site Mash here

Here's what you need to know about how Nix/Gailey feel about the present Bills QB: 1. Both have said they will rebuild through the draft, and it will take more than one year 2. Whoever is drafted in the first and second round is expected to start immediately 3. They will not over pay for players 4. The Bills were highly interested Bradford before the draft 5. After the draft, the Bills tried to acquire a viable starting veteran QB I conclude, based on their own actions and words, the Bills are not overly satisfied with the present QBs. They had no intentions of drafting a high profile college QB that needs additional development, because in the end, high profile or not, it still ends up meaning the same thing: a project QB. The Bills have enough "projects". Time to start finding out if the "projects" are worth squat or need to be sent packing.

Another equally relevant question: Why? Was it due to poor coaching? Or was it due to a coaching staff trying to conform an offense around a QB with limited capabilities?

Unless I am mistaken about number of people who partake of this board, but IMHO, I think the majority of the board has taken a wait and see attitude regarding Brohm. There is a small faction of BB supporters who seem to be quite visible (vocal), but they are not the majority of the board. Can't speak for everybody, but I have seen posts similar to mine. I am willing to buy into the BS the Brohm supporters are pushing, only because it's the only hope I have. Fitzpatrick is a back up at best (and should be retained as such). Trent has numerous issues, and I have serious doubts he will overcome all (or enough) of them to be a truly effective QB. If he does, fine. I will have no problem with it. In short, I want BB only because he's not Fitz or Edwards. Of course, I reserve the right change my mind as TC and preseason moves along.

1. So even though you admit to seeing and reading all the evidence and information regarding why Levy was hired, let's throw it out the window go with "Levy was hired because he was cheap." I stand by my position. "Ralph is cheap" is about the only level of logic you grasp. Ten years ago the Bills were battling salary cap issues. Three years ago, the Bills made Dockery one of the highest paid OG in the history of the NFL Do I need to bring up Kelsay and Schobel? But you are right. "Ralph is cheap". Let me guess. You were pissed off beyond belief the day the Falcons announced the hiring of Dimitroff. You just knew the Falcons scored big time with his signing. And when Dimitroff signed Mike Smith to be his new HC ... During the 2009 off-season, Dimitroff declared the Falcons were not going to be major players in FA. If Dimitroff made that statement as the Bills GM, you would have declared Wilson was meddling and the number of "Ralph is cheap" posts by you would have shot up. The fact you mention Polian is classic. How many times did you run around screaming "Ralph is cheap" when you heard of that promotion/hire? Who was team president prior to the one now?

I lost faith in Jauron AND red flagged Trent Edwards when Revis blitzed Edwards 29 consecutive times back in 2007. The only reason Revis stopped was Edwards got hurt, and Losman came in.

That might be great if the Bills were building "widgets", but given how NBC has handled the Tonight Show debacle, do we really want somebody from their entertainment division running the Bills? I would like to think the Bills are at least trying to get beyond "stupid".

What makes you think our run D will be better than our pass D?

The logic behind this is astoundingly retarded, and it completely ignores the facts and events that happened prior to Marv's hiring. But hey, let's go with Ralph's cheap, because that's about the only level of logic you seem to grasp, despite it being wrong. Can't wait for the new Bills GM to come from the depths of GM or GE.

Repeat after me: CONTINUITY Didn't want that new "franchise" QB Trentative Edwards to have to learn a whole new offense. Might screw up his development.

Who we picking for? Modrak? Nix? Gailey? Ralph? You did say OBD (a/k/a One Bills Drive) But as a TBD member, I would go: Jets Pats Dolphins Bills With the Bills giving Miami a run for their money for the third spot