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These guys have been known to surprise us before. Did ANYONE see them trying to trade for Antonio Brown?

if Brady comes back to NE I think they will be OK I can't imagine him being awful, but I can imagine him looking like the 12-15th best QB in the league. Just a guy.

If Brady is still as good as ever, how come Belichick switched up to a power running offense late last season when they still had Gronk and Edelman was healthy, and when he was a year younger than he is now? They were struggling then too, but rode the defense and run game to a Super Bowl win by a score of 13-3 in a game that was 3-0 to start the 4th quarter. The struggles continued this year and only got worse as the season wore on, which is predictable. 42 year old players suffer more from nagging injuries than they did when they were young. 43 year old players moreso. And Brady flat out missed throws all season. He's started to throw more pick 6's due to a lack of the same accuracy and arm strength. 2 weeks in a row at home with a pick 6, and should have been 2 on Saturday. He threw an easy pick 6 that Logan Ryan flat out dropped before halftime on Saturday. Ryan later got another one once the game was basically over anyway. I was a little shocked at how Romo said Brady's deep pass to (I think Harry) that was about 3 yards behind both the WR and DB and pretty much out of bounds anyway was a "great throw" that showed he still had the arm strength. I'm seeing Brady flat out miss guys he used to hit. Now, that said, Brady can still make some nice throws and have some very good games. But the consistency is not there, as is to be expected with an older QB. That will not improve, nor will the hits hurt less next season. If he comes back it will not go well (by their standards), so I hope it happens with NE and they lose some defensive players to free agency as a result. I could see Brady coming back to NE, them signing some offensive players, and them going 9-7 or 10-6 with Brady looking like the 12-15th best QB in the league. They could win some games, but they won't scare anyone anymore.

He was missing throws this season. His last 2 games he threw pick 6's at home. If Logan Ryan wasn't planning his TD celebration before catching the ball he would have had another pick 6 before halftime Saturday when it would have really mattered. Threw it right to him, just like the Dolphins game. Yes, he didn't have the best supporting cast, but don't forget than in 2018 with Gronk, with Hogan, with a healthy Edelman he was struggling and they went to a power run game late in the season and into the playoffs. BB made the choice to switch up to a power run, defense-based team in 2018 when Brady was 41. Now that he'll be 43 they are going all-in on him passing it all over the field? All this talk of "no help" for Tommy... give me a break! He had the Boogeymen, HISTORIC defense! The greatest defense of all-time maybe, remember? He has Josh McDaniels, the OC everyone wants to interview, but not hire. He has Belichick, perhaps the greatest HC of all time. He had all the funny business that NE pulls. And STILL he looked average at best, and worse many times.

Is there a Henry clone in this year's draft that we could get in the 3rd round or later? I'd love to see Henry (or a clone) paired with Singletary. It never felt this year like the Bills could consistently line up and impose their will. I think it's because as good as Singletary is, once he needed a breather we couldn't run the ball or it was a waste of a play.

Good sense of perspective! The Saints just went 13-3, heard all the Super Bowl talk, and lost in heartbreaking fashion for the 3rd year in a row. In terms of Brady... I think he has gone from top 2-3 to top 15 level QB play, capable of huge games here and there but not consistent anymore due to being 42-43.

IMO he did this force NE to do what he wants. Kraft will do just about anything to keep his Tommy. 1. Brady gets a big $$ deal. 2. Antonio Brown will be back in NE 3. They sign/trade for a TE That might sound scary, but 2020 Brady is like having Case Keenum at QB with those weapons. And they will lose some members of that defense and hopefully the OC in addition to the ST coach.

He will still have the occasional big game, but overall he will be middle of the pack at best. This season he was: 7th in passing yards (that's pretty good but there was a sharp drop off in the last half of this season) 13th in TD passes 27th in completion % 19th in QB rating Right now, he's outside the top 10 in every category except passing yards. Overall, he's about #15 or so in terms of starting QBs. That isn't terrible, but it's also nothing to fear. AND, unlike some of the younger QBs in that range, he is going to be 43 and isn't going to improve.

In 2018 with a healthy Gronk and a healthy Edelman and Hogan who played well for them the offense struggled so Bill Belichick went to a power running game and had Brady play game manager. That continued this year. Because Brady is missing throws and for 2 straight years has done everything possible to avoid any contact in the pocket. So 41 year old Brady became game manager but had 1 decent half in KC throwing, although he did throw the game ending INT that Ford was Offside for. 42 year old Brady became a less effective game manager that struggled more and started to pile up injuries. So now 43 year old Brady is going to suddenly improve? Last 2 playoff games: 13 points each time 0 TD 2 INT Lady year he had Gronk and healthy Edelman

And Logan Ryan dropped an easy pick 6 served up by Brady right before the half Could've would've is part of the game.

If they did sign a top WR he will need to hold the ball longer and will take more hits as a result Nobody knows better than BB, who even with Gronk and a healthy Edelman went to a power running team in late 2018 after the team started to struggle

Thank you for updating your avatar! The thing is... If you're Brady you know BB will want you to hand off and manage the game, because he switched to that approach at the end of 2018 when Gronk was still there. He isn't going back to throwing it with a 43 year old QB 2 years later. Chargers are desperate for some hype. They could overpay Brady and let him bring his nutty friend AB with him.

I don't see that because Brady would be admitting that he's a lower tier starting QB with that paltry $$ Why are you shorting your team a title in your avatar? We all suffered through all 6... Might as well display them all

I wouldn't be surprised if Brady just wants to have some fun and put together a "dream team" somewhere of AB and whoever the Chargers have, for example, and just chuck the ball around and win that way again. IF he goes back to NE he WILL be a game manager type. BB built the team that way last season (and they won) because he saw the writing on the wall. That was with Gronk, a healthy Edelman, and a 2 year younger Brady.

First of all, fix your avatar, will you? Your team has 6 titles. Once you update it it'll be good for about 20 years. Second, I said in the text that you quoted that this is not about their careers overall. It's about 2020 and going forward. I love talking NFL history. The Patriots dynasty is now NFL history. Good stuff to reminisce about in March and April before the current teams get underway.

A few tidbits: The contract issue Brady will count 6.75 million against the 2020 and 2021 cap BEFORE he signs any new deal with NE. This is because of the way the team structured his current deal to free up 2019 cap space. So, if Brady signs for 2 years, 60 million (30 per year) he will count 30+6.75= 36.75 each season, eating up a TON of their cap space. They could always push that into the future with some creative accounting, I'm sure, but it will still put a crunch on their ability to re-sign their big name free agents, let alone bring new guys in. As much as NE might want him back, they really cannot afford to sign a 5 year deal or something similar just to push the cap hit away, because that will totally cripple their cap if he only plays 1 more season due to age, injury, or effectiveness. As soon as he leaves ALL that dead cap money hits the books at once. That's the deterrent to doing that, or else every team would do it. Antonio Brown I know AB is nuts, but he and Brady seem to have a bromance going. AB orchestrated his departure from the Steelers. NE tried to trade for him but was told no. So AB goes to Oakland. Then, AB hired people to help him be as crazy as possible (money well spent, and still paying dividends) in order to get cut from the Raiders. 5 minutes later he is on the Patriots, talking about how it was his dream to play with Brady. Once he's cut it's "play with Brady or no play" among a bunch of posts taking joy in the playoff downfall of NE (but not Brady, I suppose). AB must think (or know) that Brady will be elsewhere. Brady's house and the Witch Doctor's cabin Both went up for sale right after Brady signed this new deal. "They" Brady repeatedly referred to the Patriots as "they" right after the game Saturday night. Freudian slip?

If on January 7th, 2019, someone asked you this: "If I told you that next playoff season Josh Allen would outplay Tom Brady, would you take it?" How many would have said no?

James White, the guy who pretty much won the Atlanta Super Bowl Harry, a 1st round rookie WR Sanu, a guy they just traded a 2nd round pick for and who had been a solid producer in Atlanta Josh McDaniels as OC, a guy constantly up for HC gigs every year It isn't like Brady didn't have anyone. THAT is denial talking. I SO want him back with another team next season just so he can remove all doubt.

Brees is just OK outside the dome Brady going to the Chargers would be amazing. They play NE this season.

So Allen played much better than crap!

It's not about careers. It's about where we are right now. It's about the FACT that Josh Allen outplayed Tom Brady in the playoffs in a game played in 2020. Patriots fans who post here will point to Brady's career. His Superbowl wins. His career passing stats. They will be doing that a LOT over the next few years as they come to grips with the end of their run. I love talking football history, don't get me wrong. This thread is about the present, though! So... Brady is still great, but just needs weapons but Allen stinks? I mean, this Bills offense was loaded with talent, right?

I get that, but what was Allen's supporting cast? I saw the rookie RB making play after play and pretty much nobody else, except the 2nd year QB running, throwing, catching. We're talking about 2019 and 2020. This is not to say Allen was great in the 2nd half, but he's just starting his career. The denial is everyone nationally bashing Allen and saying "Brady still has it!"

It's a nice illustration of the fact that Allen had a better game than many realize.

They DO deserve the years of mediocrity that are coming though!

Josh Allen: (on the road against a division champion in his first playoff game of his career) Total yards: 372 Turnovers: 1 (fumble that led to a FG) 24/46 (52%) 264 yards passing 92 yards rushing 16 yards receiving accounted for 1 TD (receiving) Tom Brady: (at home against the 6th seed in his 40th playoff game of his 20 year NFL career) Total yards: 209 Turnovers: 1 (pick 6) 20/37 (54%) 209 yards passing 0 yards rushing 0 yards receiving accounted for 0 TD There are no "yeah buts."