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That's very productive. Of course it was discussed. I was responding to a specific Gunner post in this thread.

My first comment was that it makes sense. I just believe that would be a huge deal and I can't imagine Rivera and the Panthers being "ok" with it. They're not dumb either.

To fire him? More blowouts and a sub-.500 record. To extend? AFC East title?

What you're suggesting is basically the equivalent of insider trading or corporate espionage. I just don't think it would be swept under the rug.

True, but Rivera is still there.

This all makes sense. But if it is true why would the Panthers and Bills still be "friendly?" Beane arguably helped the Bills draft at the expense of his (then) current employer.

Well, sure, of course they need to mesh, but the guys they signed did perform reasonably well with their previous teams so I don't think it's realistic to think they'll suddenly get worse.

I see more designed runs, but fewer "oh schitt" runs because the OL let through a jailbreak and we had Kelvin Benjamin and Charles "my knees hurt" Clay loafing around the place.

It's really a shame his first name isn't Todd.

The blowouts last year were the result of an offense featuring Peterman, raw Josh, and DA -- with Benjamin as the #1 WR. The game vs. Chicago at home (Peterman's last start) was the first Bills game I made no effort to watch live in as long as I can remember. Absent some pretty crazy stuff happening I just can't see that sort of ineptitude returning.

I'm intrigued by Daryl Johnson at DE. If he can't beat out Love to make the roster I feel like he's a prime PS candidate. Raw but great size and measurables for the position, if I recall. If memory serves, he couldn't last a full game either.

Nah. Opinions are one thing. Belittling those who don't agree with one's opinions is another.

I'll give you credit for one thing. You've managed to shift the conversation so that if the Bills are successful you'll now be able to point to this post and say "see, I told you so. Any team given these advantages should have done it." Well done.

What happens in your world if the Bills have a winning record/make the playoffs this season, and become a perennial contender for the next ten years? At that point do you give McD and Beane a "pass?" Or are you absolutely convinced that has no chance of happening? Just curious as to how your mind works...

I flipped by the channel for this and saw that charlatan Osteen praising Jesus and immediately vomited, then changed the channel.

Nah, even I don't believe that. Scott's a fan, just a disgruntled and skeptical one.

Jesus, this almost smells like optimism.

This is a solid post. It's the old nature vs. nurture argument -- how much of what and who we become is a result of our environment (parents, etc.) vs. our own genetics? Sometimes fakked up kids come from "great" environments and sometimes incredible kids come from ***** ones. There's probably some level of predictability but it's certainly not an exact science. In any event, what this radio host did is in extremely poor taste.

Like this, perhaps?

I thought Sammy was injured vs. the Steelers in a preseason game...and then Saint Doug kept him out there.

@SoTier I have one simple question (and follow up) for you: What, in particular, are you trying to get Bills fans to admit? And why?

So did we have a good draft or not?

DL is a shambles? Hughes is a stud, Star is solid (despite what others say), Phillips is a rising sophomore with lots of potential, and Oliver could be a game-changer. Murphy is one year removed from an ACL and supposedly in great shape. Shaq had a decent season last year and is playing for a contract. Jordan Phillips is a quality rotational DT. Hardly a "shambles." Nothing to help OL? Drafted Dawkins and Ford in 2nd round. Drafted Teller last year. Did McD anticipate Wood's injury and Incognito's meltdown? Gee, I guess not, shame on him. The reason you don't post these "other similarities" is because they don't exist. The "McD is another Jauron" theme is a lazy one espoused by those who don't know what they're talking about.

I think that's a silly question. The concern would be if McD didn't recognize mistakes. Everybody has to learn on the job.

I didn't say you hope they fail. I said you have the attitude that you're expecting it. There's a huge difference. I know you're a fan.