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Say what you want about Tua but he's not a bottom half of the league QB. Poor example.

It's a question that gets to the issue of how much QB play impacts WR play. It has nothing to do with the players on Buffalo's roster. I'm just curious about how many good-to-very-good WRs are able to put up big numbers with crappy QBs.

Yeah, but you gave me one name. What other stud receivers have "risen above" their bad QBs?

I'm too lazy to do the research, but can you name for me any "star" WRs who put up consistent all-pro quality stats with sub-par (bottom half of the league) QBs? Maybe Calvin Johnson, from 2007-2011 until Stafford was established?

Here’s a recent interview with McGovern; he doesn’t sound like a guy being asked to do something he’s not comfortable or confident about: ORCHARD PARK, N.Y. — Connor McGovern is very happy to be going back to his roots this upcoming season as he makes the move on the offensive line from guard to center. “I would say center is my natural position so it’s just going back home,” McGovern said. McGovern says that his experience in the position dates back to when he played football in high school. “Hard to believe, but I was actually undersized growing up in high school,” McGovern said. “I was always center because I was usually the smallest one and then once I hit my growth spurt, I just stayed at center. I went to Penn State at center, moved to guard, then went back to center and it was just always something natural. I always liked being the guy right in the middle, it was always comfortable to me.” However, since he got drafted, McGovern has spent most of his time in the league as a guard. That is until the Bills released Mitch Morse this offseason, moving McGovern back to the position he knows best. “I missed it a lot, honestly,” McGovern said. “I got drafted as a center originally and then a new coaching staff came in. I got moved to guard and always kind of seeked my way back to center every time something happened. I’d play a little bit then always went back to guard. Now officially I can move back to center permanently for right now, so I’m very happy.” McGovern, now the “quarterback” of the Bills offensive line, surely understands the communication aspect of his new role. “It’s the center’s job to make sure everyone’s on the same page,” McGovern said. “Last year, I helped Mitch a lot with the calls but at the end of the day it was his show to run and now it's mine and I just love that extra weight on my shoulders to do that.” “Connor, at the leadership position of our offensive line, he’s the one that sets the table to call the huddle to really start the next play,” Bills head coach Sean McDermott said. “I think he’s done a nice job.” McGovern and the rest of the team are now resting up before training camp kicks off on July 24 at St. John Fisher University.

I can hear the discussion now: "Hey, who is that guy wearing #40?" "Isn't that Von Miller?" "It doesn't look like Von Miller." "Beats me then."

Maybe I'm in the minority but I don't think McGovern to C is going to be a big deal. We'll see.

I understand your points. I guess I just see them using the short passing game as an extension of the run game, rather than actually running it more.

17 x 250 = 4250. I think that is the floor for Josh's passing yards this season. I'm guessing he'll wind up around 4600. Unlike others, I don't see the Bills trying to run more. They want to be able to run when they need to, but everyone knows you score through the passing game.

It will be interesting, no doubt. As usual, the optimists are looking for the silver lining, the pessimists are predicting failure, and the middle-grounders are playing the wait-and-see game. It is going to be extremely important for the Bills to avoid a slow start, and that worries me considering we will have two new starters at safety and an almost entirely new WR room. I’m expecting the Kincaid/Shakir/Cook show to dominate the game plan early on.

Fair points.

21. Jordan Poyer I'd go with Micah Hyde but that's just me...

It's not a "weird" response, it's the truth. We were a play away from beating KC twice -- in the playoffs. We've also had ridiculously bad luck -- in particular last year with all of the injuries on D. It's a message board, I get it, and everyone wants to pontificate. I just also realize that nothing anyone writes on this board means a damn thing outside of the entertainment value. Carry on and Go Bills!

37. George Wilson 36.

Yes, totally valid criticism of Beane. All he has done is build a roster than has won four consecutive AFCE titles with two nail-biter losses to KC in the playoffs. Blow the whole thing up. We need guys Pete Prisco thinks are stars!

Agree. The Fins got worse on defense, and while their video game offense will put up numbers in the regular season they are not better than they were a year ago. With competent quarterbacking the Jets are the threat.

It’s definitely the doldrums of the offseason when we get a$$clown threads like these. OP got pwned.

I'm expecting 7 from each of those guys so that puts us on the over.

If anyone can get me a ticket for Sunday July 28 I would sincerely appreciate it! I will be in town coincidentally and it would be my first TC visit since the Fredonia days!

I think you are underrating Carr. Under the right circumstances worse QBs than Derek Carr have won Super Bowls. The Jets have a dominant defense and good skill position players.

Of course.

Do you think the QB makes the WR or vice-versa? If you're going to talk about "bottom 5 WR rooms" I think it's relevant to know who was throwing them the ball.

Who were their QBs? Kinda relevant, don't you think?

He's dropping everything, and doing it very slowly.