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Not true - we had Mario's dead cap, Glenn's Franchise tag, and Gilmore's 5th year, oh and Richie's contract too. Until Glenn signed an extension we had very limited cap space to do anything. We non-tendered Rambo and Charles. We didn't put a 2nd round tender on him because we wanted to have you know... a little bit of room to dumpster dive and actually fill out our roster.

All true - except we didn't discard him.

We couldn't retain him. The offer sheet was unmatchable with our cap situation. We also didn't put a 2nd round tender on him for the same reason. We wouldn't have been able to keep mills or bryant.

Perhaps we'll have a system under our new HC...

one of his TD catches they like... forgot to cover him... Steelers didn't come to play at all. And big ben looked really sloppy - skipping balls to receivers, nothing coming in clean. Even some of their good gains were on ankle high bad passes that the receivers snagged.

I still don't really get this argument. We tried to keep him... We couldn't afford to tender him at 2nd round because we didn't have the Cap Space (glenn was franchised at the time we tendered RFAs, and Gilmore was on his 5th year - both big cap hits) at the time. We also therefore could not match his offer sheet for the same reasons. You guys act like we straight up cut the guy or something.... We did straight up release stefan charles, and bacarri rambo though - two guys who i thought were nice depth pieces.

I'd have liked to keep him. But we didn't have cap space at the time as we had franchised Glenn and added the 5th year for Gilmore. Not extending them earlier is why we didn't put a stronger tender on hogan, and why we didn't match the contract...

So we're the linebackers and pass rush though... we knew we were gonna be a running team.

PA in shotgun never works as well - the running back is always eyes up on pass protection so the connection doesn't always happen.

No i think Greg roman prefer's shotgun - he ran mostly shotgun at SF as well.

I dunno about that- i'd say maybe closer to a bortles draft than an EJ. There's no "cant miss" guys like winston/mariota/luck/RG3 - but the class is relatively deep and talented. The top 2 guys from last year wouldn't stand head and shoulders above this class either.

I tend to agree here - if you miss on "your QB" then take another shot next year - but pick guys that you like, and roll with it. It's not an EJ draft, and it doesn't seem to have a Luck either. Do your homework on all of them, and get your guy! There's always next year!

Ken Dorsey was still playing in 2008....

And then Marrone punted again...

Perhaps he learned a thing or two in his time riding coat tails. Clearly he didn't work on gameplans or installing the playbook.

Like tyrion on season 2 of thrones

Well - the players on Cleveland play for their next job. Speaking of - How about RG3 for next year? He could help us "rebuild"

Go to a few games a year - beers/food at the games... probably a couple thousand

Right - But we're in a tough spot NEEDING a QB is all I'm saying. We don't draft high enough to ensure we get our guy, and I'm not sure this is the best draft to get our guy. Gotta take shots, but i don't want to waste high picks on a project.

Eh - He was good not great. He was so bad that they ended up with the 1 overall pick for 2004. He picked it up for 2 years - but at that point they had to make a choice... They were wrong. He was 1st team all-pro his first year out of San Diego - and won a super bowl in New Orleans.

I agree - we need to walk away with this thinking we got our guy. If we have to trade up to get him then do it - but he'd better be freaking good. I don't want to trade up for a guy who has issues like Goff and Wentz.

It's tough to evaluate this early on without any workouts etc.- but there seems to be a pretty much growing contingent of Kizer/Trubinsky Watson/Mahomes/kaaya and everyone else Now there's no way were out at 10 - Likely only 2 go by pick 10 I'd say. Maybe Bears, and probably Jets. Concern of Cleveland jumping ahead of 10 and maybe taking Mahomes. But there are like 5 teams ahead of us who have worse QBs than we do. I figure if we walk from Tyrod, one of them probably has Tyrod and will go BPA. But you're in a pickle either way The guy you want may be gone, and you're going to be on the clock in like 10-15 minutes. You have to decide who you want if you stay pat, and who you target to trade down if that's the goal. It becomes a game of chicken too. Any of the teams with older qb's like New orleans or SD may move in there to snag one. And then there's Houston who's a QB away from being a pretty good team. So you may not want to trade down very far since they may consider moving up a couple picks to snag a watson or something. I just don't want to walk out of the draft with who we had like 4th or 5th best on our board - and have that guy walk in with the starting job.

We're back on the arguing about whether he's good or not. The thread implies we already dumped him - who's the new QB?!

Or if someone traded us something to make eating dead money worth it.

I dunno - does keeping Tyrod prohibit you from drafting your long-term answer? If there's the guy you really like at 10, you can absolutely pull the trigger. I mean look at what Philly did, they brought back bradford and signed daniels. Then traded up for Wentz. They purged almost all of their bad contracts in one year and are in much better shape to be competitive in the future. Don't say we won't because we haven't in the past, its a new owner and a GM who probably feel's he has a bit more freedom. I just hate the idea of going into the draft with no one... we don't pick high enough and i fear the guy we really want isn't there.