Bleeding Bills Blue

The windup, the feet, holding the ball low, throwing off his back foot... these things all lead to turnovers. You have to think anyone drafting him is going to at least explore fixing these things. In addition to ya know, calling plays in the huddle and using an NFL playbook, no-huddle, snaps from under center.... He is a project. A very interesting project because of his improvisation and huge arm. He seems to have a pretty natural ability to scramble, and see pressure which is good. And his eyes are downfield which is good.

The reason i mentioned mechanics... he'll get it - "somewhere" faster than Watson. Will it be the receivers hands? The ground? The sideline? The other team's hands?

I think Geno smith is a good example of a guy who struggle to transition from spread to NFL. He was able to wow with his arm strength in those pro-day throwing scenarios, and had fantastic numbers, but once you dissect them a bit you see that he struggled with the most basic things in the NFL. RG3 was able to get by on pure athleticism, and injuries have ruined his mechanics, and sapped him of the speed that made him hard to match up with. Arm strength and everything is great, but you need to be able to call plays in huddle, take snaps from under center, set protection, stand and deliver in the face of pressure, navigate a pocket, evaluate film, etc. All while remaining mechanically sound. So pretty much everyone coming out these days will be majority spread offense, so that's always going to be tricky. It comes down to identifying which one is most likely to improve in the NFL. Trubinsky - 1 year starter and a late bloomer - totally a wildcard but he seems to have more upside than anyone from that 2013 class. Watson - Doesn't seem to have a plus arm - played in a spread. Total gamer though and has a lot of heart and desire to be successful. Mahomes - Killer arm, played in a straight air raid offense. Weird mechanics will take time to adjust as mechanics are the key to precision and accuracy Ehhh - Mannings arm became an issue after his neck injury in Indy, and it was apparent. He still threw for like 55 TDs... But also - he's freaking Peyton Manning. He knew what you were doing before you called it.

He doesn't want to do otas so he won't sign until camp

If we trade back it means someone wants to jump cleveland to get first crack. I don't think we'd get as much in a trade as people think.

Funny thing is gronk was pushed out of the first because of back problems... and torrell troup ended up with back problems.

They're going to release him - they can do a post June and get some cap space back for 2017.

I like Mahomes... I'd even say go ahead and take him at 10 if you like him. But don't give the kid a hall of fame bust and act like there aren't reasons he's not the #1 overall pick. Cuz there are. Everyone says his arms so hot his footwork doesn't matter... and he'll learn to take snaps under center... and learn to call plays in the huddle.... All of these things matter, and thats why he's not going #1 overall.

I can safely say i am so sick of hearing about this guy. I hope we don't draft him, and i hope he sucks. 60 page thread about a rookie we didn't even draft?! SMH

I guess it all depends who we draft. I could totally see us going QB, I could also see us going value and just trying to bring in McD guys. If we draft a guy in the 3rd round or something, i still would say he's likely safe to start all year. If they don't go QB it gives Tyrod the keys for a year, but it wouldn't prohibit us from looking QB in 2018 either.

I think Tyrod is one of those quiet lead by example guys. He's first man in every morning for workouts, year round and takes his job seriously. That's what you look for in a captain.

They're players, they report to the Head coach. I think the idea is that we have real captains who you look to for questions in film study, on the field, or even for off field things if needed. I'd say it probably would be Kyle, Zo, Tyrod, i guess Hyde seems to want to be a leader. Our ST guys all seem relatively new outside of Zo, so he seems like the natural fit for that side of the ball.

Carpenter's kicking issues, and the same with schmidt's terrible punting.

I don't get why people are discounting Peterson as a good player... he's one of the greatest running backs of all time. He would do well there. They clearly wanna stretch Brady's last few years, this helps do that. Upgrade over Blount.

McCaffery just won't break through arm tackles in the NFL. But he has good vision, good hands, experience in a pro style offense. I think he'll have a role wherever he ends up. I could see Pittsburgh grabbing him as they don't seem to want to pay Bell and he could have some success there.

I guess...? It'd be hard for me to be a bills fan if they screwed with my ability to pay my mortgage and bills, and on his birthday to boot? I'd hate any company for that.

yeah - they fired him on his birthday... lifetime bills fan. Now he's a pats fan. Can't say i blame him.

A friend of mine who worked for the bills like 5 years ago said he was getting texts this morning, and that like everyone there is on edge. It seems like the first of many steps in removing a ton of dead weight within the front office.

Well... Petty is terrible, hackenberg barely dressed for game days his rookie year, and McCowns been terrible for 3 years now. Not sure how you can say it isn't a need.

Yeah - the lack of explanations for why these teams want to move up makes it a bit far-fetched. Like Seattle has to really want someone at 10 to move up that high. OJ howard maybe? Or allen if he slips? cook or fournette? just not sure why they think 10 is where seattle is going to need to be.

Saw that too - some people are super high on Mahomes, others like trubinsky, others like watson, and others even like kizer. Weird draft

Hey - i'd be down. If they take a QB at 10 i completely understand them doing it, but I'm not going to be pissed if they don't. These guys all seem to have flaws in some way shape or form. Be it arm strength, footwork, accuracy, etc.

I'd be down, but I'm not going to be mad if they don't

You like him over trubinsky, watson, kizer,.. I jsut don't get the Mahomes love I guess. Do you consider him head and shoulders above the rest of the class?

Why did the 9 teams ahead of us pass on him if he's so can't miss?