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Barf. Eddie Robinson. Total Barf.

I thought it was Eddie robinson who got juked by pennington. Or am i wrong?

Sounds like he wanted 2 more years and they were unwilling to commit. Not sure they are better equipped to win with the guys they have now, but they figure out in 2020 whether stidham has it, and if he doesn't they can explore other avenues in 2021. Rather than waiting til draft 2021, or even until 2022.

I dunno, consider me a skeptic. If there were more league smoke to it I think i might care, but it seems like there is probably like no evidence of any wrongdoing here.

It's based solely on the big board. Most of the reaches are later round picks. He was picked at 188 and was 281 on the big board. Based on that, at that point there are 100 more valuable players that they could have selected.

yeah things were on a pretty good 10-15 minute delay at that point in the broadcast. They were talking about guys 3-4 picks before moss when he got drafted.

How would you know the play in advance from viewing the sideline though? After all the spygate stuff - you think they would use a film crew in the media room to do it? Like a complete lack of subtlety. At the time Bill said that he was following the rule as he had interpreted it. So they squashed that rule and punished him. Now he's going to go some crazy other route to film the bengals sidelines? I'm certain they pulled every bit of film that that crew shot.

Yeah - I'm not picking their brain for much at this point. If I'm on the team I might golf with them, chat about maybe buffalo media, or what i can do to help with their foundation or any other philanthropic initiatives. Maybe talk a little bit about like "being a pro". Basically paying my respects to the the people who built the franchise. Outside of that? The game passed most of these guys by. Not much they can help with that coaches can't. You're going to see a lot of them every year at the christmas parties, and other bills related stuff. Better to get to know them on your own time so they don't see it as a slight.

I think that considering the astros were filming and providing intel during the game that its imo a bigger advantage. Knowing the pitch thats coming is a huge advantage. Even if only a few players took advantage of it (bregman, gonzalez, altuve at least)- they lead the league in average, OBP, and slg% all while having the fewest strikeouts. I think the investigation of this needs to get back to someone in front office for it to have any legs. If it was just a cameraman who reports to a producer, who reports to vp of marketing - and there isn't anything evidence wise to involve these tapes ever getting to the coaching staff. Its hard for me to find them guilty of anything other than a rule violation - and i guess a fine or whatever. The conspiracy to cheat needs to be there imo for there to be punishment to the football group. Do any of the tapes ever go to Bill? What's on the majority of the tapes?

While id like to see some more speed - they carry a FB on the 53 and they like taiwan jones for special teams. Jones ran a 4.33 at the combine (in 2011), and McKenzie ran a 4.42... Diggs and Brown both ran in 4.3-4.4 range. There's a fair amount of speed there that they can use in different ways running the ball.

Its for good publicity. They aren't on there watching film and talking strategy for 2020.

Yeah - i think when you look at running/agility though you wonder if that extra affected those #s. Maybe try and find some balance.

Russell Wilson still runs somewhere like 70-100 times a year and has never missed a game. Sliding works.

That was a walkthrough practice for the game they were then playing against each other. This was some film crew working on some random content for the patriots website talking about scouts and what they do. They're recording the sideline.. I guess you could get something from there that you couldn't from regular film? Just seems like a lot of work to try and sync that with what is actually happening on the field. All to see what, guys talking with clipboards in front of their faces?

Why not Dez Bryant? he hasn't played since 2017 and would cost like 5% of AJ green and its not guaranteed. Not that i think buffalo needs another WR at this point. Top 4 is pretty much set with depth who can fill in.

A lot of good arguments - but nobody brought in money on this one yet. AJ green is on a franchise tag of about 18 million - Browns base salary is 7. We'd have to eat 3.2 million of bonus on JB's deal so we'd then essentially be dedicating 21 million of cap to AJ green for 1 year. If you want to keep him after that year the tag goes up 20% so it becomes a 2 year deal for like 40 million or more. U also lose the asset of JB's contract in year 3. Sub 10 million cap hit for a starting WR on a non-rookie deal is a real nice deal. Year 3 also has like nothing guaranteed so if you decide to roll with Davis, you are free to do so with little in the way of cap effect. He also has some trade value with a dollar value that low. With Green you likely let him walk, not necessarily by choice, and possibly get a comp pick in 2022. This doesn't factor in the fact that AJ has not played football since basically October 2018 (he had 1 catch in december, but none in the 3 games in novemeber)... To me - it isn't worth the risk of re-injury, nor is it worth the financial risk after making the Diggs trade. I'd consider this case closed.

Helps having a HOFer at QB. They've also missed playoffs 4 of the last 8 seasons believe it or not - They could barely field a defense for a stretch there.

Lawson at 54 isn't too bad tbh. Same with Cardale in the 5th. Ragland was also a trade up to 41... that cost us pick 117. Prescott went 135 to Cardales 139... If we are looking QB in the 4th. Could have Prescott and Tyrod to start McD era in 2017. Oops. I don't consider anything after round 5 like miss-able. McCloud and Proehl were misses but we found foster for nothing so, means nothing. Even Teller got a return on draft picks before they released him. Joseph didn't play so he's the only true ?

They also likely carry over more than the estimated 4 million that is listed there. Managing the cap is knowing when to walk away from players, and trade others. I don't think they've done a great job of this - they've mostly just done what the saints have done and tack on years to deals to lower cap hits, and restructure base salaries.

I think thats the hope - having two like good-not-great ends in hughes and addison helps. And being able to rotate in AJ and Murphy.. moving guys like jefferson around on 3rd downs - it should be able to create pressure.

I know Murphy is a popular cut in many peoples posts, but i really feel like johnson would have to play really well in camp for it to be justified. Murphy has forced 4 fumbles, recovered 3 in 2 years, has 9 sacks - and had 2 sacks in the playoff game. I know in 2018 he was hurt in camp, which probably lingered all season long. Towards the end of 2019 he was bringing some pretty good pressure. We'll see what ends up happening, but I think he's got a good chance to stick for the year.

Yeah - but keep rotating in fresh legs. Hughes and Epensa on back to back snaps are very different styles too. Harder to prepare for.

They have the #2 based on ROI from the amount of draft capital they have vs. the value across the athletics consensus big board. Based on where kickers sit on the big board top 300 (probably not on it), he would be selected like 70 spots too high. That's considered a reach. That at the time - we had value picks in ragland, lawson, and cardale jones based on where selected vs. where they sat on the big board. 4 years later, and 2 of those players vastly underperformed, and lawson while not a bust isn't necessarily outplaying his draft position.

Whenever you see big numbers in the "restructure bonus" column, that means they've been basically pushing back the inevitable. About 20 mil restructure bonuses, then in 2021 you have void years too. They basically were playing that game where you move 10mil of base salary into the next 4 years. Eventually that player isn't good and you have like 3 different paid out bonuses that hit your cap at once if you release them early. Not to mention they did this like way too many times and have void years all the way into like 2023 and 2024. Essentially this is right though - re-work the WR corps, lose older players, and trade down in the draft to get more cheap contracts/players. They're stuck in a 2 year cap crunch since they dont have space to eat other dead money. They could move Javon Hargrave since his base salary would come off the books in a trade. Don't worry though- they're set at backup QB...

With regards to Fromm - Barkley stinks. So He doesn't even need to be very good to make the roster IMO.