Bleeding Bills Blue

I agree on many of the points here. 3 1st rounders last year, and ii didn't really love any of the picks. In a talented WR draft - and at a position of need - they didn't take one. I wasn't impressed with Jackson, and the corner they picked played like 25% of snaps behind jones/howard. If you have 2 good corners under contract for a while, why would you take another? By the time he has a spot to start he'll need to get paid. They also moved fitzpatrick (an all-pro) for picks, and didn't exactly replace him. 4 picks in the first 50, they still need front 7 help, they could upgrade at safety on defense. And on offense they still probably need oline help, and only have Fuller under contract for a season. If Tua is a hit they'll be fine, but if he isn't they're still a pretty poor offense and a turnover dependent defense that isn't great at stopping the run.

And they're positioned well if someone wants a QB ahead of detroit/denver.

And thats the first pick of the draft! how can you not get that one right?

It's also what Whaley did with Manuel FWIW. They still don't have much of a run game, and their offensive line isn't noteworthy. Parker/Fuller/Williams/Bowden isn't bad, and Geisicki is a good player. I think if the option to move down a few picks and get something else in this particular draft year - could be appealing. But to state that a WR/TE pass catcher is the biggest need is failing to look at the big picture. They currently have 2 coordinators this year so i have no idea how that's going to work for playcalling/QB development, and to me a solid run game is usually the best thing you can have for a young QB. Then on defense - I'm not sure they're as good as many believe they are. So while Chase/Pitts may make some sense and give them another weapon - I'm not sure thats 100% what they need at the moment.

Also kinda difficult to really thump with a messed up shoulder.

Same, i don't think i've watched anything bengals since the last time they played buffalo.

I think a bucs brady cover might be in the cards tbh. Make up some of that money he's not getting with the team friendly deal.

I'd at least have him line up where he fits. I know he was playing 1T a fair amount especially early on with Phillips and Jefferson struggling.

Geisicki, Smith and Henry in NE, Kelce, Gronk+Brate/howard, Hurst, Ebron - some good ones on the schedule this year.

Justin Rogers. I've never had a player induce as much rage as he did in that stretch of 2013 when gilmore and brooks were out and he was getting shredded by legit any QB/WR with a pulse. They cut him after gilmore came back with the club, but i hated that guy.

I mean I'm not sure of his financial standing but they even offer wellness programs to non-vested players. Help was absolutely available to him.

People get hurt and they want to push ford/boettger was the way i saw it.

So funny to think that as recent as like 2017 we would have been interested in this, and now there's absolutely none.

We don't really know the motive, but I'll say its hard (nigh impossible) to have any sympathy for a murderer. Undiagnosed mental illness is a huge problem in the world, and far too complex an issue to discuss on a message board. I see no reason to bring his NFL career into it, nor do i believe it was the main contributing factor. all retired players to receive free or low-cost screenings, preventive care, mental health services and orthopedic care at a new national network of top hospitals created by the owners and the union

I put numbers to explain and compared the best pass catching back in the NFL to compare. Are you saying Etienne will have a greater yards per carry, yards per catch, and catch % than Kamara? Despite buffalo having no pro bowl linemen on the roster.

Give me numbers back, since mine are based on kamara. Kamara averages 8.7 yards per reception career, and Singletary is 6.9. Thats 1.8 yards per catch different. Across 100 catches, thats 180 yards. His catch% is about 5-6 points higher so we'll say he gets 5 more catches at the same average and thats like 45. So 225 yards. Kamara's career YPC is 5, and Singletary's is 4.8. 200 carries and .2 yards additional per carry is 40 yards. That is 265 yards. Kamara had 16 rushing TDs - and NO led the league in rushing TDs. But they had 30 rushing TDs as a unit vs. buffalo who had 16. Buffalo had 40 TDs to NO's 28 passing though, and generally a considerably more dynamic passing offense. If Etienne has more of a red zone impact (an area buffalo wasn't top 10 on offense), then it makes a lot of sense. But if I'm having Etienne running into the same walls in the RZ as our current crop of backs, then I'm not super excited about him providing as big an impact.

I don't think he'd get 100+ targets in the buffalo offense, but i suppose its possible. Even adding in an extra yard, yard and a half across those thats an extra 150 yard. Kamara and CMC line up in the slot quite a bit too, which helps increase their yards per catch - but we'll assume etienne is doing something similarly. But basically take all the running back targets, throw in some of mckenzie's snaps/targets too and get around 100. How much better will he be across those 100 targets than the 3 guys they have? And will those yards impact the W-L column. Same for carries and additional yards - say he gets 5 YPA and singletary gets 4.2. Across 200 carries that 160 yards. Best case scenario we're adding around 3-400 yards. I think they could stand to improve in the red zone, so if his value falls there that helps make a greater impact. And at the same time look at whether he will be the impact player to put you over the top against top 5 competition in the playoffs. I personally think the defense needs more of an infusion of talent to stop KC than we need a running back.

Very true - if you can sit at 8 or 9 or wherever they pick and get him. Moving up in the top 10 is expensive. Depends who goes at 3 I think too.

I would wait. I haven't seen much from lock, but do you really want the 4th best QB in the class? Lawrence, Wilson, ????. I think 49ers take Lance? But it could be fields or Jones I guess.

I think DT/DE is possible and needed. As well as CB. Oline depth is also something to build upon. Safety could use some youth or a "big nickel". Probably not all roster players necessarily right out of the gate, but

I'm not like, afraid of him at the same time? I think he certainly has traits vernon davis didn't have, but davis ran a sub 4.4 40, was super strong and honestly a very good player. Davis was also never first team all-pro. They'd also be taking snaps away from Geisicki, whos honestly really good. Smythe is also better than they give credit. I saw the fuller deal as a placeholder for their WR, so i expect them to go WR.

I don't like trading multiple firsts for non-QBs. Let alone the massive capital it would take to get to 4 (pick 30, 1st rounder in 2022, probably 2 2nd's as well since we pick late in 2021, and the assumption would be that they pick late again in 2022. While the team looks close to set for this year and next, trading all of your picks means in 2023 you are lacking quality players to step in when other players walk - Hughes, Addison, morse, mongo, williams, beasely, Hyde, Poyer etc. Big extensions looming for Allen, possibly Edmunds, means the pool of money for free agents gets smaller and smaller. You also are less likely to have young star players along the line. And sometimes players don't work out - Epenesa, Oliver, Ford haven't really contributed too much yet, and you can't just assume they'll make a jump.

I'd have done it. You aren't extending him (or picking up the 5th year option) so the value (while damaged) is as high as it gets. I wouldn't say its entirely his fault. High expectations were put on him in 2019 after their spending spree and he got mono. The team construction was flawed, and Gase is not a good coach. He's gotta start for the bears first 😉

I dunno - its tough to go from 2-14 to good in a year. Their offensive line is still poor, they have no running backs, and their WR core is pretty similar to a year ago. One QB isn't going to flip them from worst offense in the league to... reasonably poor. Davis will help, i thought mims looked alright at times, crowder and cole are fine. The biggest help to a young QB is top tier weapons, or a run game. They have neither. Oh, and their defense was bad last year and they're pretty much running it back with carl lawson and rankins.

The Holcomb-mania bills-bengals game was also pretty fun in 2005. Christmas eve, mcgee scored twice.