london_bills

Good point.

It really seems that way doesn't it.

No because most players aren't like that and I think it contributes to the teams intensity! I would guess that MCD doesn't love that kind of thing alot though, SHAQ hasnt been signed and there were some comments by mcdermott alluding to Oliver a while back, although nothing clear I can remember. Haha

Thanks. Its all interesting. I asked you to clarify what you see as criticism so that we could have an even discussion. In relation to the 300 yd/ 3td game some people would like to see at some point - I asked you to clarify what you read as my criticism because you were trying to put words in my mouth with your previous comment: ‘So it's on Allen to make McKenzie's equilibrium better so he doesn't stumble on that play? Seriously?’ I didn’t mention this particular play to McKenzie. The original poster was suggesting that with a better receiving core, Allen hits 300. Better receivers would help yes but in truth its not JUST about better receivers. My point is that it is not ALL on the receiving core generally. This season receivers have dropped balls, Allen has missed throws, we have run the ball when ahead etc. These all factor in to not having hit this mark and does NOT factor into his performance last night for me. In relation to critisicing ALLEN - Yesterdays game was different, Allen was great. I have posted this numerous times in other posts because I believe it. Remember.. this context is missed of course when reading one or two of my posts that are highlighting his negative plays. The ‘criticism’ of Allen by me (WHICH I WOULD REALLY CALL THE NOT IGNORING OF NEGATIVE PLAYS), all of which I believe is me being HONEST, should not overshadow yesterdays game. On me saying Allen has missed some throws, well you can see the difference that has happened in the last three games and especially yesterday when he has been hitting with real consistency! Allen was very accurate yesterday. The throw to beasley for example was perfect and an inevitable touchdown as such. There WERE times in earlier games when Allen hasn't hit players in stride and people have commented and rightly so, things like 'that inaccuracy can be the difference between at TD and a shorter gain'. As a fan who watches the games you will have seen times when he's been less accurate and we have stalled drives. That's why we are all so impressed with how much better he's got. Just because I am not afraid to highlight negative plays, which are becoming the minority, doesn't mean I am 'anti Allen/not believing he's the guy' in general. Not now anyway. Some other quick points before I address my comments: 1. I don't believe in the narrative that there 'cannot be any allen criticism in there at all' if it's true. This narrative does exist aswell. I don't see why this cannot be seen as constructive criticism in context of most comments I've made which I believe that Allen was fantastic last night. 2. If people are 100 percent on Allen that's fine I respect that. 3. I'm not though. but my option HAS virtually swung completely since the Cleveland game. 95/5 or so. Remember we all have different opinions on Allen. Some people are 'that's my quarterback' and are unwavering, others are a bit more 'critical '. Remember also that everyone thinks they are right. As regards my comments - He could be the kind of QB who makes some great plays but is destined to be inconsistent like he has been before the last several weeks. This comment is probably the one that could be worded differently and or applies more to Allen BEFORE yesterday for sure. You know what - If I saw a poster that was JUST critical of allen like this after yesterday I would be confused sure, but like i said its in the context of other posts. Allen went along way yesterday to convince me he can shine in a playoff game. It was higher pressure game then he has played. As regards my next comment: The fact that Allen has not hit 300, 3td is not only because the receiving core is not the best. Daboll has schemed players open that Allen has not hit. Look at the 3rd down when Allen runs early yesterday. Happy with everything I've put here and I think it's objectively right. This type play was plaguing Allen and the bills earlier in the season. It didn’t matter yesterday but still happened early in the game. You mentioned the word reality, it happened in the game. Don’t shoot the messenger! The 3rd down I mention early yesterday when Allen ran. There was a guy open. It's just the truth but should not be highlighted OVER how well he played no. That would be wrong, but ignoring anything that actually happens is the game is wrong. The impressive thing about Allen yesterday was after the first couple drives stalled, he was amazing. But hang on fella, we are allowed to mention the first couple of drives and what happened on them! About your narrative - So.. Is it a 'no criticism of Allen is right' or 'no criticism of Allen is right after a performance like last night.' thing for you I wonder? The second one I CAN understand. But also remember your narrative and patience with any highlighting of negative plays as you mention a lot of people being against allen. If the logic of 'your the kind of guy who criticises Allen for having one bad game' stands, remember people want a kicker cut for one bad game. It is always really about there being some doubt there that is magnified by the bad game. Like i say I am not 100 percent on allen but VERY close after yesterday. He is changing my mind. One bad game matters, but Allen's proving people wrong by learning from the bad games. Of course I am going to be honest about what i see moving forward, good or bad!

Firstly, What criticism am I putting in there?

And goes to show that you learn from bad games, experiences. Admittedly it's hard to look at the big picture at times like the Pats game.

I take your point about a better recieving core but I don't think that's the whole truth either. Again, a great player makes players around them better. Which I think Allen is doing, yesterday especially. If he had more throws then some of the runs yesterday then I think he makes the 300 actually. (Dak had 40 odd attempts, Allen 24) And that is just circumstantial as I don't blame the bills for running the clock either. The fact that Allen has not hit 300, 3td is not only because the receiving core is not the best. Daboll has schemed players open that Allen has not hit. Look at the 3rd down when Allen runs early yesterday. Yes

Interesting. I saw it the other way actually. there's a bit of a narrative to 'believe in allen' I think because he does some good things in games, hes a cool guy and comes across well, plays with passion, this regime is tied to him etc. I don't think theres any mass narrative against him, I hear more of a 'Allen is playing well' narrative from those that don't know about the Bills. He could be the kind of QB who makes some great plays but is destined to be inconsistent like he has been before the last several weeks. Yesterday felt different to me. Mainly because he was so consistent in the game and under control. Some posters are saying they want to see a 300 yd game, 3/4 TD game which is still fair enough to an extent.. ..but seeing yesterday it just doesn't feel like an issue for me.

This was my highlight aswell. Second was the TD to Beasley as when you watch the camera from behind he threw it with anticipation. Let's be honest, at times he's inaccurate which is part of the frustration - I think it might be when he rushes things. At the moment with the odd pass being like that I'm getting a sense that he is in control of this offence and those moments are certainly in the minority. He has been doing the opposite of rushing things recently but been making good quick decisions against the Blitz. It feels like he's thinking less at the moment, allowing his physical ability to dictate whilst making simpler good decisions.

It may be Daboll helping him with his view from higher up. The change has been significant

He had his best game of his career today.

Bet she picked the cowboys shock horror

Just sent you a PM

I was wondering that because the change has been so drastic for the better.

Yeah I second this. I like the creativity he shows. The players you mentioned are all playing well, and getting better. He is using mckenzie well I think underneath and foster has made an appearance or two. Despite the clamour for duke, we look faster then we did and things are opening up. Allen executing better is always going to help to show Daboll's calling as better. Loved the touchdown throw by brown. You know he's doing something right when it looks like another teams offence that as a fan you would be envious of!

Use a vpn.

Top offence in the league.

Murphy was calling the game with alot of turkey in his mouth, you could hear it. Eric Wood was embarassed.

I take your point about wanting to win a SUPERBOWL, having higher standards. I feel better about this team and Allen after this win than I did before it. I still think its a game that the Bills could of layed an egg like the Cleveland game for example. They didn't and they dominated. Dallas were 6-5 with the number one offence in the league, the game was a national one and I wouldn't have been surprised if Allen wilted. After going down 7 zip and failing to convert their first drive they didn't and Allen brought his best game in what I think was his most pressurised game. I found that encouraging. No they are not as good as the Ravens but it felt like a playoff game to me. This game also showed me that the 9-3 is real.

He was great today. Is Daboll helping him with that I wonder because there's been such a change

He was gushing about the Bills after this game

Allen mentioning ten wins in his speech.. We be gettin greedy ?

Yep. Set standards high

Only other Critique, for me anyway, was the singletary throw in the end zone at the end of a great drive that ended with a field goal. The one he threw low. Obviously he was great otherwise.

Fair enough man. I saw him pretty much win the game for the bills today, together with the defence. He kept the bills driving with 19/24, didn't let the cowboys back on the field until they were further behind and looked dominant doing it. Only moment I was disappointed with personally was the low throw to singletary in the end zone. I thought he had him open, the last 11 passes or so he completed! Only reason I'm mentioning that at all is it was a Great long drive that ended with a field goal. I thought he brought the IT factor today in a higher pressure game situation.