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I think he's shying a way a bit more than he was, he's a bit more cautious. Hence the lower picks.

Lol

Just something to mention.. There is generally a change of belief in allen I sense from this game. Even if you believed in him before, the long pass was missing. I feel like people feel more sure of him now after the Pats game. He hit a couple of deep balls in this game which we're a big thing and was an arguement against him beforehand. Before this game he hadn't hit these with alot of regularity as we all know so that was form of monkey off his back. It's a big thing to hit those and it was great to see.

Allen's done some great things and is really exciting to watch. There are times when the easy throws are harder for him. It's when he is 'jittery' as he mentioned in his presser. Where are the objective posters (critizing me for example, which is fine) but then not mentioning that he has said he is nervous in pressers. Sure he's human and I like the guy but that is a concern! Someone else summed it up well when they said that, at times, Allen has a tendency to make the easy throws look difficult and the difficult throws look easy.

This is interesting. Why do you think they should move on from allen now?

Do you know what I am referencing in regards to Allen? You know, when he looks intimidated? No cincy fan, I AM NOT JERRY SULLIVAN IN DISGUISE ???????

This is the guy who turned up to training camp in an armoured truck.

Yes agreed. Could do with a DT/LB aswell.

This is true. I saw the highlights of the dolphins vs bengals game and there were two 400 yd games/4td games by each QB who are probably going to be replaced.

It all depends when we are talking about and whether we are talking about the same moments. I'm talking particularly about when allen 'disappears' in games, looks flustered. His inconsistency is a problem here, I'm talking particularly about when he has the 'jitters' as he mentioned in his press conference, he does miss easy throws then. It's like everything goes. An example against the Pats was when he started the game, He looked bad! . When beasley was open early and we saw the camera from behind Allen we saw beasley was open and that is an example of an easy missed throw by Allen. He hit's knox with the long pass later and that's a harder throw. I take your point that at times he hits the shorter throws consistently, like when he started the season against the jets or aguanst the cowboys. In other posts I've mentioned the missed td to knox, it would have been nice to have given him a chance on that ball although from memory it wasn't easy. There's an argument for at least giving the reciever a chance on that ball. When the blitz was coming in his face on one play he ran backwards and threw a quick pass to Beasley and beat the rush that way. Sometimes he looks in control and sometimes he doesn't.

Thanks, that's a good read. 1.There is a big 'wanting him to succeed narrative' which I am part of aswell. But I think I see it for what it is and don't allow it to always 'colour' my views. 2. I dont know the answer as to whether he will make it either but im not going to reserve any opinionated posts for three years until the judgement is in. That's what being a fan is about, living the moments. There are some things that happen that I wonder whether we will be talking about in 3 years. My posts after the dallas game were very different to this week.

That the bad throws need to be balanced with the great ones I am concerned with a QB who makes the hard throws and misses the easy ones. This nature is always going to polarise fans. Yes I know that's a high passer rating but.. He was 13/26. 50% completion. We scored 17 points. Few games ago Bills were 9-0 when Allen was 60% or more. Pats are a good defence but it would have been great for Allen to be closer to 60 percent. He has improved the picks and the deep passes were awesome.

What's the bigger picture?

Very true. You mean how one person is an optimist and another a pessimist for example? Not to say it isn't to you but the truth is very important to me.

Yes there has been improvement. Yes yes yes! But there have been things that haven't improved aswell. I just feel I am right with the inconsistency. We all think we are right but I will admit if I'm wrong. I'm not stubborn if I can see I'm wrong.

Certainly not wallowed in misery. I think my opinion makes others feel miserable! Clearly he is going to have 'bad plays, series and games while I'm waiting', my concern is that maybe we will be having the same conversation in the future. For his other aspects to have been ignored they would have had to been ignored. Allen has great of the field traits. A quarterback will always be defined by bad throws though.

I also Your tactic is to wait for a great play and post to confirm that you are right about Allen. I think your belief is that he shouldn't be critiqued and should just be supported, whilst you often critique other teams QBs (Jackson etc) as being overrated. This tends to lose my belief in what you say. It comes across that you view things very much as black and white. Supporters vs haters. I think 1.the difference with me is that I don't need to be proved right or wrong. We all thi k we are right but I'd like to be wrong about Allen actually. 2.remember a single great play does not mean that he will be great.

It all depends how you view Allen. For me it buys into the fact that he's inconsistent. I thought the dallas game he was more consistent in his play. If he plays a difficult defense and makes a poor throw people might look and find reasons as to why it was a bad throw. These things would be right, it's not always totally on him, if the line collapses for example. I suppose I'm waiting to be proved wrong about his inconsistency. That's probably why every bad throw feels like it says something defining about him.

Allen was poor to start the game. I am not wrong with that. You are entitled to your opinion but don't think that I am too concerned with your opinion of my posts.

Yeah what I was meaning has got lost after a few posts. I was talking about swapping the two QBs who played the game, Allen and Brady. My point was to highlight how important the QB position is and that even though the defence sucked the consistency of the QB position - hitting the right receiver, getting the ball out just at the right time matters pretty much above everything. I was cringing when people were overdoing brady's decline as I was concerned he would show up. Its also the 'ice in the veins' QB point someone else made.

Haha, I said imagine 10 more completions from allen in the game, what a difference it would make.. So I was really talking about incompletions but when I look at the stat line I would amend that. 13/26, another good few completions would of made a difference, particularly the knox td throw. 10 is a bit much granted.

Lol I think the 10 throws against the Pats is aimed at me. ?

Allen has presence and maybe the 'it' factor you mention but to be fair he wasn't fearless to start the Pats game, that was part of the problem.

I've heard people put down Mahomes, Jackson and Watson yet mostly big up Allen. Funny

Kelce looks like he's a p****.