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I know this is just preseason and I'm doing my best to not panic entirely but the game last night was terrible. EJ was brutal as was the O-line. That led me to think that if we could go back to the draft knowing what we know now would we stay where we were and take an offensive lineman instead of trading up for Sammy. Yes we wouldn't have Sammy on this team but we would have better O-line talent, we'd still have Woods, Williams and likely Stevie along with our next years first rounder back. If you could swap, right now, Sammy for a drafted offensive lineman, Stevie Johnson and our next years fest rounder would you?

You want to trade another first round pick AND CJ for a QB that you just said yourself is not looking good? Why would we do that?

Its all over the Training camp Pittsburgh thread. Theres many tweets and links posted in that that talk all about the great day he had yesterday.

It mainly says that he is pretty bad when pressured (2.6 yards per play) but so is mostly every QB for obvious reasons so he is ranked 18th. When not pressured every other QB improves immensely while EJ barely improves. I dont think its that he plays worse when not pressured. Go Bills

It certainly does. Very few criticisms lately out of camp. Even guys who notoriously dog him, Joe B and Rodak, are giving him praise. Seems like something clicked a couple days ago and he has been on point since. Hope it lasts.

Keep in mind that the no-brainier statements might not be no brainer to fans if other teams. He writes for a very general audience and can't assume that the people reading will have intimate knowledge of the team the way people on this board will.

Come on. This post isnt thought through at all. You say you're an optimist and take the harshest, most pessimistic view of every facet of our team. Our defense or offense arent nearly as bad as you want to believe. What has Whaley done since being GM that made you feel he is incompetent and needs to be uprooted to use your own analogy? Im not saying were a superbowl contender or anything but how can you feel that firing everyone associated with the team and going 0-16 in a year when we dont have a first round pick is the best for the team. You say this isnt a Kiko post but i doubt you would have posted this if he never got injured. Yea it sucks hes injured but the good news is it happened early enough for the team to compensate for it and make adjustments. The team has an entire training camp learning the defense without him which allows them to get used to it. Kiko was never gonna make or break this season.

Its smart. If the rule is 3 months salary, right now that ring is a lot cheaper than it would be after tonight. Hes got a financial mind.

Yea hes made the playoffs but when you watch him you can see that he still has a lot to improve upon to lead a team to a superbowl. There are a lot of people that doubt if Dalton is the guy for Cincy and whether he is the franchise QB you hold onto for 10+ years. Thats what I mean. We dont want to end up with a guy that we are still doubting several years in despite having made the playoffs. If the Cincy defense were to drop off I wouldnt expect Dalton to carry his team to 10-6 the way the top QBs can. Not saying he cant improve still but from what Ive seen from him he is not that great and I would be hesitant to sign him to a big deal.

To mirror what a lot of people have said on this thread, I think he needs to improve from last year but I ultimately think he will. He has such a good head on his shoulders for work ethic and drive that I cant imagine his improving. He really needs to work on scanning the field in the pocket and not seeming so robotic when he drops back. When he rolls out he seems so fluid and his instincts take of and he looks a lot more fliud, so Im hoping his pocket presence changes as well. My main concern is actually that he will improve, but how much. We have a team now that is pretty talented in many aspects, definitely good enough to get to the playoffs with above average QB play. If EJ does improve, which I think he will, and we make the playoffs, which I actually think we could with him, a lot of fans are gonna want to lock him up regardless of how much he actually improves. We will have to really evaluate who we think he is/can be as a QB before we throw a lot of money at him. I dont want us to make the playoff this year, everyone on this board says "we got our man" just because we ended the drought and then end up with a guy like Dalton. Go Bills

Sorry about my confusing first comment. I understood our 9 would be in the trade as well but I still don't think there's any chance Jax would take that trade. The ninth is kind of an awkward spot because most of the huge impact guys are gone, which is why the forum is filled with people moving out of it either up or down. Spiller is not worth the difference between the 3rd and 9th pick at all in my opinion. That being said I wouldn't want to get rid of him anyway.

You think we give them Spiller and get their draft spot? Is this a joke? "We could take any of these possibly franchise changing QBs but the Bills would give us Spiller, you know, that 4 year RB who had one descent year and also is somewhat injury prone" Maybe we can get Jacksonvilles 3rd round pick for Spiller, maybe.

I saw this last night too and my heart jumped as well. the "Bills Mafia" tweet got 862 RTs while the others got much less, closest was Detroit in the 400s or so. The "Jags" tweet got a whopping 87 RTs and "Tampa" got 90. Seeing how many more the Bills tweet got prompted him to send out his last tweet. Pretty cool Go BIlls

I think they are thinking out of respect for Ralph and possibly Kelly. That the Bills have come to an agreement but with other stuff happening with the team they are holding off to announce it to not distract from the other stuff. Not saying it makes a lot of sense but that's my guess.

I sometimes think people dont pay attention to how teams actually win. No matter what we spend or trade away were not going anywhere without a QB. Stay the course we started forging last year and hope that EJ improves. Why do we have to do this all in two years, we have 6 more years in Buffalo at least. Plently of time to build a winner.

It seems like youre trying to make the data fit your idea too much. For the most part, if youre team is playing in the superbowl you have a shot to win, blaming a wide margin in a superbowl on the QBs age is a little crazy seeing as how often times the QB is pretty instrumental in getting you there. Just because Manning got blown out this year are you suggesting Denver goes and find someone younger because that team might lose by less of a margin? Do you really think a younger player would have gotten Denver to the Superbowl? You can argue that for the majority of QBs their prime is before theyre 30 so thats why there is more <30 year olds on the list. Its a stretch to imply that once a QB hits 30 you should ditch him and go looking. The majority of the QBs in the league in general are under 30 and most of them wont make the superbowl as a starter. Look at the data for total QBs under 30 starting for teams for a whole season, making low end money, over the same time frame and the number of them that make/win a superbowl. If having a low-salary QB under 30 got you to the superbowl then we would have been there, as would the Browns and every other team that has struggled to find a solid QB.

This for sure. Many superbowls are decided on single plays that if they were re-run could go the complete other way. So while the list of QBs winning superbowls is accurate in containing many younger players, saying that the reason they won was because of those QBs is the wrong conclusion. If Welker makes the catch in 2012, if Tyree doesnt have gum on his helmet, if Holmes bobbles the ball on the sideline, etc then this list looks completely different and OP might be saying that we need older QBs if we want to win a SB. The QBs now a days may draw too much of the cap, thats for the teams to decide, but many of the teams winning the superbowls were built in the draft not in free agency signings (Ravens, Seahawks, Packers, Steelers, Giants). We had a good draft last year and we need another. Go Bills

Yea we were offering the most money, doesnt mean other people didnt want him. He chose to go where they would pay him the most like most people would do. You implied from your earlier post "What other team or teams put in a bid for Mario? Where else did he visit?" that nobody else wanted him, which is ridiculous.

We got Mario first and didnt let him leave, I have no idea what teams put a bid in for him and neither do you. Do you really think that means nobody else wanted him? Where else did Ware visit this year besides Denver, where else did Revis go? Do you really think the only teams that wanted them were the ones that signed them?

Like Mario? 4 years with $4 million guaranteed? thats a boatload? Intelligent comment there

Arthur!

Theres a lot of players left, 90 mins in and people are already complaining that its a failure. Im not sure what you think but players can sign wherever they please and theres no telling who weve called and not called. if we get Spikes, Byrd and a guard this will be a successful FA period. Patience.

If I remember correctly he did that last year when we tried to reach a deal with him and I thought it was interesting. Its some sort of game he plays to make him seem more personable or something but yea its very noticeable how much more he tweets since negotiations ended

You dont think the Bills do a good enough job of retaining our own talent? What an original thought. I do seem to remember us resigning Wood, K. Williams, Freddie, Stevie and most recently an up and coming talent A. Williams. This concept of the Bills being terrible at keeping players while most other teams have it figured out is getting old. In a couple years when some other player decides to leave (as happens with most teams at some point) and Aaron Williams is holding down our secondary nobody will give props to the Bills FO for this move. Im not saying the Bills are a great organization, as evidenced by the current playoff drought and many other indicators but it seems by reading this board as often as I do that some people tend to think that other teams rarely/never let guys go. If we were all Pats fans you would have all lost your minds in letting a guy like Mark Andersen go, or same with Houston letting Mario go. Sometimes teams have to make decisions that players go because they dont think the financial commitment is worth it. Bring up guys like Greer, Winfield and Fletcher are all legit but that was a different front office and different coaches. I rarely post on this place but seeing this just made me think, does T master really believe the difference between the Charger and us is the ability to lock up a guy like Chad Rinehart. Is that really what determines a winning franchise from a loser? From what Ive seen its not, it lies more on the decisions made in the draft and on the field come Sundays. The Chargers can have Chad but us holding on to him wouldnt have changed much and I really think in a couple years this Byrd situation is gonna work in our favor. Most of all Go Bills

It is being discussed. Look at the list of threads on the front page, Jimmy Graham is one of them