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23 minutes ago, st pete gogolak said:
I'm guessing the original comment was made because it was a stupid pick for the Bills, not necessarily a stupid pick in a vacuum. The Bills had all sorts of needs, didn't really need an RB and made what was in essence a luxury pick that a team coming off a Super Bowl victory might make. For example, Dallas Clark was available when McGahee was picked. Not a great blocker but he would have gone down as best TE in Bills' history.
Well this thread is about a player getting drafted after a major injury...so forgive me for assuming they were referencing McGahee's knee injury since they also mentioned another player we drafted that had injury history. But perhaps they meant something else.
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17 minutes ago, MarkyMannn said:
Willis McGahee didn't work out too well. Was it Shaq Lawson that had the shoulder?
Is this a joke? McGahee played for 10 season, multiple 1000 yard seasons and multiple pro bowls.
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49 minutes ago, colin said:
meh,
allen had poorer coaching and way less experience than 90+% of first round qbs. he also has much much more talent, and there are and were very clear patterns to his bad throws, got excited and his feet got wonky.
some of these goofs don't see the forest for the trees. a guy like alex smith, great at some many things, but when he is in perf form the ball just doesn't quite get to exactly where he wants it with pop, can't improve upon his polished self, but a more raw guy can.
it's kinda goofy to me how a more raw pass rusher or OL (jason peters anyone?) can bee seen as a player who can work on his craft and get much better, but somehow that analysis can't be done on a QB.
I think about this as well. Because Allen wasnt given much of an opportunity, Buffalo was the first time he ever had *real* coaching. No disrespect to Wyoming but theyre not Oklahoma, USC, Alabama, OSU, etc. And before that was JuCo for him. In that respect it does make sense that he hadnt even began to scratch his potential in college. But of course that doesnt then mean that every QB from a less prominent school will magically flourish in the NFL. I do think Allen is an outlier there.
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Lots of GMs and coaches have the "I can develop him" ego and it only takes one to convince themself about a certain player to draft them. We will likely see a few swings and misses while teams search for "their Josh Allen" until its figured out how rare Josh exactly is.
Also, if you click on the video linked at the top of the article it highlights a really bad throw on an easy target but if you backup 5 seconds you see a laser thrown on the run perfectly placed, and mind you Wyoming is up 42-0 haha.
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I hope it doesnt come to it, but I could see it happening. You could maintain the salary cap and have some structured allotment of money, that increases for the worse teams, that each team has to spend on incoming players and then every player coming out of college is a FA. That way the worst teams would have the most money to sign guys. It would be different though for sure.
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15 hours ago, WideNine said:
I like Fairburn's Bills articles on the Athletic. They have the depth of someone who actually watches the Bills closely not just parroting what others are saying.
I recalled that someone asked this same question about investing in locking up Edmunds a while back in his "mailbag" and thought his response mirrors much of what has been said in our own dialogue on this topic.
"Right now, I don’t think I would. Of course, the Bills have another year to decide on that. A lot of this will come down to what Edmunds and his agents want that second contract to look like.
I don’t think he’s played well enough to warrant a market-setting contract at linebacker.
He’s not a consistent game changer in that way, at least not yet. He could become that type of player, but it’s not what we’ve seen so far.
If Edmunds looked like he did in the Ravens game more often, it would be an easy choice to sign him to a second contract. But these negotiations could get complicated when you consider that Edmunds’ potential hasn’t matched up with the reality on the field quite often enough.
That’s not to say it can’t happen, but you asked me to make the decision today. I’d spend the money elsewhere."
So we are back to where Beane probably is sitting... a key year to evaluate Edmunds and determine if he wants to lock him up long term and if so, for how much?
But why couldnt Edmunds sign a contract that matches his production on the field. If he wants a market-setting contract, its an easy NO. If he wants a reasonable contract given his good-not-great play thats a different story.
It seems the discussion on Edmunds is whether hes worth a BIG contract but why is it assumed we, or someone else, would ever give him such a contract?
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1 hour ago, Niagara Dude said:
It would be nice if the Pegula's can get NFL to hold draft in Buffalo, would be great and a huge boost to hotels & restaurants all the way to Niagara Falls. Weather is nice this time of year and if Cleveland is good enough then why not Buffalo/Niagara Falls? I am sure plenty of rookies would love to see one of the seven wonders of the world and NEW YORK STATE should kick in money to boost tourism.
Probably would use this as leverage to get a new Stadium. If we build a brand new downtown stadium I could see the draft coming potentially.
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Yes I am going with my family. We are all vaccinated, besides the kids, but its not required to just go to the event. Its only required to get into the arena and have a seat to watch the draft which i=Im not interested in. We have a hotel right downtown. There is going to be a large open air Draft Experience with food/drinks/games what not and youll be able to see the screen where the draft is happening and kinda mill about. Inside the stadium will be some games ad things like kicking a FG, running a 40 yd dash etc. This requires a reservation which is free and each reservation can be for 2 adults and up to 5 children. Download the NFL OnePass app to reserve.
In addition the Rock and Roll HOF is right there and I may head down to the HOF. Either way I veiw it as an excuse to get out of the city after being hesitant to travel for so long.
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16 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:
The Bills defensive scheme relies upon "zone eyes" - the defenders make decisions by reading the QB's eyes.
Mahomes is the master of "Lying Eyes". He will manipulate the defenders into making decisions based upon his eyes, then throw where they aren't.
Mahomes abused Edmunds, it was ugly. He over-pursued many times.
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9 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:
My pet peeve: Draft position is irrelevant once you hit the field. Where Edmunds was drafted has nothing to do with whether the Bills keep him. It's all about how he contributes to the team, how he fits the defense, whether he can be replaced, etc. Kyle Williams didn't start because he was outplaying a 5th round pick, and Aaron Maybin didn't get cut because he underplayed a #9 overall. You play or don't play if you're good enough or not, regardless of where you're drafted.
Edmunds future has nothing to do with where he was picked.
I continue to think that we don't completely understand how McDermott values Edmunds in the defense. I suspect, but I don't know, that Edmunds' mobility in pass defense is worth a lot more to McD than it is to the rest of us. I think McD expects Edmunds to continue to learn the things that he needs to learn. It's the old adage about you can't teach speed. Or height. There just aren't a whole of MLBs out there who combine Edmunds' size and speed, and that is, I think, worth a lot to McD.
overall I agree except that because he was a first rounder there is a slight difference because you need to decide on the 5th year option. They need to decide this offseason if they pick that up or not. Its a pretty big decision.
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3 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:
I don't really know what to do with Edmunds. There is reason to trade him and possibly draft his replacement. Maybe a trade up with him and 30 as the piece.
There's reason to sign him, mostly based on potential due to age.
Edmunds isn't very instinctive. You would like your MLB to be the most instinctive player on the field. He's due big money over the next couple of years. Do you commit to a 5th year or try and replace him this year?
His size and length for the position is elite. Even if out of position he takes up so much space. He's only turning 23. He's shown flashes of high level play. Consistency has been his issue but can be fixed.
We're going to find out how the Bills feel about Edmunds in the next few weeks.
I'de be shocked also. Edmunds is their guy. He has elite talent and size. The hope is his mental catches up to the physical.
Unless Edmunds has a Josh Allen level leap in ability I dont think they will retain him. He is a fine player but not great. All the excuses from Cover1 and Nate Geary...why are we making excuses for a guy that is drafted that high and is a supposed athletic freak. Hes a good player but hes not all-pro great like some wanted. He is serviceable but not someone you can depend on all the time. Just look at this past season. if the scheme doesnt perfectly fit him or Milano gos down he disappears. Why would you want that guy as your defensive anchor. He should transcend scheme and injuries more often than not.
I think if he was a slam dunk to be our long term MLB we would not have signed Milano. I dont think Beane would wrap that much long term money into the LB position. So Milano getting the extension is a bit of a signal that he is ok letting Edmunds go, IMO.
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14 hours ago, Victory Formation said:
There’s no doubt he’s incredible, no doubt. From what I’ve seen the kid is downright amazing but in order for a trade up to be worth it, he would have to be the best TE in the NFL. Seems like a pretty slim margin to be banking on. Even if he is a 60, 70 catch guy he would be a huge disappointment in relation to the amount of capital spent to move up and get him.
I do too. Too steep. Very nice prospect though but once again, he has to be the best TE in the NFL for it to be worth it. Even if he’s just “good”, that’s not good enough. He needs to be the Michael Jordan of TEs.
For the trade to be worth it he doesnt have to be the best TE in the league, he just has to contribute to us winning a SB. I think he can do that.
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30 minutes ago, Victory Formation said:
Just seems like we would have a better team all around if we just kept Edmunds, traded down and took Freiermuth. Think Freiermuth will be a solid starter as I also think Hunter Long may be a decent target at 61. Once again, are you willing to give up so much for maybe a modest difference in production? Makes no sense to me.
I think most would disagree about the "modest difference in production" assessment. Analysis of Pitts is as arguably the best TE prospect ever.
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I would LOVE to trade Edmunds and 30 (and something else potentially) for Pitts. I think Edmunds is full of potential but so far hasnt quite lived up to it. The 5th year option is going to be a tough decision on him...so let it be someone elses decision. We just paid Milano, I think its unlikely we pay Edmunds similarly. Trade him now and get a gamechanger for us.
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14 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:
I cannot believe that I don't remember this game at all.
This was the Why So Serious game. Coming out party for Stevie.
59 minutes ago, BillsFan619 said:Surprisingly there was still some exciting times during the drought.
The one that sticks out to me though is when we beat NE on a last second FG in 2011.
That was the very next game after this Raiders game. And we destroyed the Chiefs in week 1 so we were 3-0 and on our way to the playoffs! I was also at that Raiders game and it was absolutely electric when we won that. I think we had 5 straight TD drives in the second half
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I think itll be a roofed stadium down town. Id love for it to be retractable somehow but I wouldnt hold out hope because of cost.
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The main thing with 12 personnel (mind you two TEs that can both block and catch. This was Lee Smiths problem) is that it puts the defense into a bind and gives the offense flexibility. If the defense tries to match 12 personnel with bigger guys to stop the run, then you send the TEs out to run routes. If they go small so prevent the TEs from catching the ball downfield then you run the ball.
It will not only help us open the run game it will add a massive wrinkle to the pass game that wasnt on tape last season. I am convinced our offense will be unstoppable with another premier TE.
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they added a third, and a first in 2023 (who even knows what theyll look like then) and lost all leverage since there are only 4 QBs anyone cares about. This does very little to make them any more competitive in the next two years, the most important for Tua, then before they made the trade. I dont really see why they did this so early. Wilson's pro day was TODAY. Let the hype build a little bit. Weird move for sure.
Add in the trading of Shaq and releasing of Van Noy, the GM is making some odd moves.
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2 hours ago, SCBills said:
Depends if Tua can be any good.
That timid guy we saw last year gives them no chance.. I don’t care how many 1sts they have.
Im pro any move by Miami that increases the odds of Tua playing QB.
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I think something that has to be acknowledged in this as well as the defenses rise in the back half of the season was the quality of QBs we played. Aside from Herbert, who was a rookie, we played god awful QBs all in a row after the bye.
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as a PR/KR + his value as "the jet sweep guy" he is much more valuable than the role he played last year. I like bringing him back
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2 minutes ago, Da webster guy said:
JB signed for $3.75M w Raiders, does his agent suck or did we not want him at all? Hard to believe Daboll and Josh would support paying an older receiver $2.25M more than Smoke, plus don't we have dead money in there too?
Im baffled by this move. Two years of chemistry w Josh, a multiple 1000 yd NFL proven receiver and we let him walk because we dont think he's worth $3.75M?
This has to be injury concern. There's no other explanation.
Injuries last year are for sure a factor. He was limited most of the year and ever after injury just did not have the same game. They said they wanted Emmanuel Sanders for a while now. Maybe they think he can do more things in the offense than John Brown.
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Why the hell would Chi pay Dalton $10mill just to tread water if it required releasing Fuller?? Just sign another QB!
What are Nagy and Pace thinking?
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15 hours ago, Jauronimo said:
Signing Mitchell Trubitzky after using a high draft pick on Jake Fromm is a clear sign that every one on the team has to earn their starting role every year, week, and day. This has serious shades of Rob Johnson and Doug Flutie. I think the locker room is strong at this point but I really hope this isn't the start of another QB controversy.
Lets not forget, Trubixy was the SECOND OVERALL PICK in the draft not long ago. The guy was considered a serious talent. The NFL is a what have you done for me lately league. One or two bad games from Allen, or god forbid an injury, and I think its very realistic we could have a debate about the starting QB and a locker room divided.
I hope I'm wrong fellas....
I hope this is a joke...
All Gunner's Draft Stuff.... 2021 Edition!!!
in The Stadium Wall
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Interesting Oweh doesnt veen crack the top 5 edge rushers, Ive seen him mocked to us a few times. He is a very polarizing player it seems.