so now they have been a laughingstock franchise for 17 years? They have been close to making the playoffs many times over the last 17 but have not for whatever many reasons. You were talking about now, and the only reason they are in the spotlight is because of the big mouth Wrecks, before him they carried on under the radar while Ralph waited to expire. The new owners have only been in charge for a couple years and are not attention seeking, in your face owners so anyone forming solid opinion of them had better worked closely with them over that time, if not its speculation.