simpleman

You do realize you just repeated exactly what the OP said, you just rephrased him, and then said he was exaggerating.

Stadium Realities 1.) New professional sports stadiums are not built for the benefit of the spectators, they are built to increase the profits of a select group of billionaires, developers, and a handful of businesses within a very narrow radius of the stadium. 2.) An NFL stadium will never return to the taxpayers a profit, the cost of building them and the surrounding infrastructure to support them will never provide an economic benefit equal to the cost to the taxpayers. Any economic trickle down effect will reach a very small minority, and will be a tiny portion of the overall cost. 3.) It does not matter whether the stadium is open, closed, retractable. The cost will always be much greater than the economic benefits. The location or other possible uses will never make the economic benefits equal to or greater than the cost to the taxpayers. 4.) If the cost of an NFL stadium and the supporting infrastructure was not subsidized by the taxpayer, NFL owners would have much different views of what an NFL stadium would look like and what it’s design features and benefits would be. They would be much more Spartan and much more basic. 5.) Professional Sports Stadiums are not about the needs of the taxpayers. They are about the wants and desires of very select groups of individuals who can profit financially from them, and a small minority of the taxpayers who are fans of that sport who believe all the other taxpayers should be obligated to support their individual desire for entertainment.

Reading comp 101. That is Not what he said. " Any of the rest could be there at 12." He said he thought any one of the rest might be there at 12, not that all of the rest could be there at 12.

Proving the point that you are the know nothing. AJ has a passing playoff touchdown and TT has zero. Before you criticize someone make sure of your facts.

Oh please. No one really knows how well Rosen's skills will translate into the NFL. He hasn't even taken a snap in the NFL yet. I love how people anoint someone premier and elite before they even take the field. Let us wait and see how they actually perform before we anoint them. BTW Ryan Leaf, Tim Couch, Jamarcus Russell, David Carr and Matt Leinart all say Hi!

I'm not saying he will ever be a Franchise QB, but for his draft position, and his cost, he might grow into a reliable backup. Why the double standard on Peterman and Jones. Jones is given a total pass after starting a whole season, and absolutely sucking in multiple games. Yet he just "needs time". Peterman starts in his first game in the toughest position in the game, and is a 'total bust".

You really think he was worth 3.5 million in cap space when we have so little and so many needs. He was a good wr4-5 but not worth 3.5 Million when you have little cap to spend.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2754252-nfl1000-ranking-the-top-outside-cornerbacks-of-2017-season not sure I would call the 29th best corner in the league garbage. Now let us not confuse opinions with facts.

I agree completely with this premise. But I am not at all that sure that Beane has shown that he is in fact that competent of a GM. He has shown he is not so competent with all the holes he created in the team by getting rid of quality starters, while getting such low value in return for this year except lottery tickets with low odds (draft picks). As you say, there is no consensus sure thing pick this year at QB. He also has saddled the team with a huge amount dead cap, while getting so little in return except for more lottery tickets with low odds. 31 and a half million dollars of dead cap that we can't spend on FA to fill the holes he created on our already weak roster.* If that does not define a desperate gambler, rather than shrewd operator, what does. In fact a majority of his moves have been all about giving up a sure thing in hand for a bunch of low odds lottery tickets. Either he will be lucky at the table and look like a hero, or he will come home broke and unable to make the mortgage payment. That is not shrewd thinker and planner. It is the definition of a gambler. I hope he proves me wrong, and does not double down on those low odds tickets by giving them all away on just one big risky gamble to move up into the top 5 positions to draft a QB. We will be left with too few draft choices to fill our many holes, and as he has said, not enough cap space to fill those sorely need holes through FA with quality starters. * Marcell Dareus $14,200,000 Cordy Glenn $9,600,000 Tyrod Taylor $7,640,000

I didn't mean to say I wouldn't take Allen in that trade deal, I meant that as all the top tier QBs are flawed, that I would prefer the option of getting one of the top tier QBs, whomever was available at that spot , over trading up to the top 5 and using up all our draft capital and loosing it all on a bust. The risk vs the reward is more reasonable in your trade up. I don't see any of them worth the risk of loosing all our draft capital in a top 5 draft spot trade up.

Not sure on Allen, but I like this strategy better than giving up too much to get a top 5 pick. If we can get one of the 5 first tier QBs at the cost of our 22 and a 2nd, and still are able to use our picks in the 1st 3 rounds to get Smith and still fill our worst holes, it is a win, win over spending all our draft capital on a flawed top 5 pick and the risk of having nothing to show for this draft but a bust. That risky strategy could set us back for 3-4 more years.

So many keep saying this is such a great year to trade up by "betting the farm" to draft a QB. I listed a few things that might actually define such a great year. And then I showed how this was not such a great year, since other than desperation and wild hunches, few of those things that might define a good year exist this year for the Bills. Just having a quantity of flawed "maybes" and no "sure things" does not qualify this as a great year for trading up by "betting the farm". No one is mentioning any other reasons to define it as a great year, other than out of desperation and their wild hunches. I said it is not logical to "bet the farm" unless it is a sure thing. I don't think too many actually think any of the first tier QBs this year is close to even a Luck type "sure thing". How does that invalidate statement #1? A good gambler never " bets the farm" on anything short of a sure thing. He only makes reasonable bets that he is 100% positive he can afford to lose, when he is betting on "longshots". It it not about never trading up, it is about being rational and taking risks that are reasonably proportionate to the rewards, not "betting the farm" out of sheer desperation.

This is the year? Based on desperation and a hunch?

Personally I would make that trade for Mayfield. But I really doubt it would ever come that cheap. You might be able to make that trade down, but I doubt you could make that trade up so cheaply.

The fact is that none of those conditions have been met for the Bills this year. If none are met, you are acting out of desperation , not intelligence. Bad gambles for the sake of desperation do not make good gambles

The point is that a majority of those who are so hot to "bet the farm" this year to trade up are doing so out of sheer desperation, not out of logic or straight thinking. An intelligent "process" does not do things out of desperation. Unless the team truly thinks there is "the one" there in the draft, they should not bet the farm to get a "QB". A good year to draft a QB is not about the quantity of the players to gamble on, it is about the availability of "the one" you believe in that year. Desperation is a poor reason to justify" betting the farm". I agree about bridge QBs, Kap is probably among the best Vet options available, but it is the inability of so many to separate their politics from their sport that removes that choice. There is no " the one" option truly available this year in the draft, nor as a FA. If that is the case, I would rather stay put and choose the best options available at our draft positions, or if the team felt there was no player worth the risk at that position, trade down and get more options to build the team. I would not be opposed to multiple QB picks this year, a 2nd round or late first via a trade down, and a later round pick. I think any pick this year should be considered developmental, since none is a sure thing to start.

A “Good Year” to trade up. The quality of “the one”, not the quantity of “maybes” A Great year to trade up to pick a QB is a year where: 1.) There is a generational talent at QB who is as close to a “sure thing” as possible. 2.) You have the trade capitol to spend to get that talent, without setting back the rest of your team for multiple years by spending that trade capitol you desperately need elsewhere. You are almost a franchise QB away from having a solid team. 3.) There is minimal need and competition from other teams for that player, driving up the cost of the trade to you. 4.) Your potential trade partner does not need that franchise QB, since they already have one. And there are no other generational “sure thing” choices at a position of need for them available at their draft position during the draft. It is not about quantity, it is about quality when you trade up. This is a year of a quantity of “maybes”, and no quality “sure things”. There is no consensus generational QB talent this year. All the top picks are flawed in some way or other. The last time there was as close to a “sure thing”, was when Andrew Luck was in the draft. There is no Andrew Luck in this draft. Just a lot of flawed “maybe” QB’s. No “sure thing” generational talent. When you trade up, you do it for a specific player. Unlike being lucky in a year when you have a high pick, where you at least have better odds of the player you want being there when your pick comes up. The odds are no better that you will get “the one” during that single trade up to get there, since you choose when, and who to do it for. It is about just one player, the one that you are positive is the one. Not about how many “maybes” there are to choose from. We may have draft capitol, but we do have so many serious holes everywhere, few teams except the Browns have more holes than we do. We have been exposed to almost 20 years of “3 year planned rebuilds”. And you want us to believe we should wait yet another 3 years, and expect for this one to turn out any different than it has for the last almost 20 years? This is a year when there are an exceptionally large number of teams also desperately looking for their “Franchise QB”. About the only thing you possibly have going for you this year is that there are 3 or 4 teams with high draft picks who don’t absolutely “need” a Franchise QB and are willing to trade. A “Good Year” to trade up is not about the “quantity of maybes” available that year. It is a year where there that “one” who you believe is as close to sure thing as possible for your team is available, and you are in the best position in the league to get that “one”.

Unless he is still injured, why would you trade him. I thought "Cheap Ralph" was finally gone. When he was healthy he was one of the better tackles in the NFL. The odds of getting a starter in the 4th round or lower are terrible. This gambling addition rampant among the TBD posters is amazing. Our O line is already a major concern and weakness on the team. Weakening it further is foolish. You want to bring in a rookie QB and destroy his potential behind a turnstyle O-line. With him gone your oline has a good but aging LG, that just lost their anchoring center, and an up and coming Tackle coming off his rookie year. There is no guarantee Dawkins will continue his growth, especially if you throw him on a line with more rookies and marginally talented players.

By that logic we would not have a Tre White on our team and an extra 1st this year. If he wasn't good enough to pick at 10, he couldn't be good enough to be a long term answer.

If you want to take him in the first, why not look for a trade down partner and pick up an extra pick and use a later 1st on him. Chances are he will be there, or one of the other 2nd tier guys, if he is not. I'd rather have someone like him or Jackson AND someone like a White, a Falk or a Lauletta . Now that is increasing the odds of finding your developmental QB of the future. Much better than trading up using so many top picks that you have mortgaged your future for 3 or 4 years and gambling on one guy having a 50% chance of being a top QB.

Yes, I'm sure the Pats would agree 100%, Gronk was a wasted pick by them for sure after he was injured before the draft. The draft is a gamble, it is never a sure thing.

Bad for him. But good for us. As long as he heals he is the future. We have Groy, who I would be comfortable starting the season with at C. Working him in slowly as the future at center, or even right guard. A 2nd round or lower would be a great value pick for us at a need position. A trade down for extra picks with our 22 sounds even better. Please, please Beane, don't go wasting picks with a major trade up gamble for a QB. Pick where we stand.

I assume that this means Gaines was asking for too much and the team decided Vontae was a better value at CB for the team. Hopefully this is at least a wash as to making the Bills a better team. I hope part of the strategy would be a mid-late round draft pick to pair with Tre for the future.

I agree totally. A 50-50 chance is not enough to not only mortgage the teams future for 2 or 3 years, but also possibly end up on the wrong side of the 50 percent .

Oh the Casinos love people like you coming in the doors. Hey, so what if the mortgage payment is overdue and they are threatening to foreclose next week if I don't pay. I have the money to make the payment and keep the house, but hey, if I take that money to the casino and hit the jackpot I'm a millionaire and I can have a fantastic house instead of just any old decent house. They make their profit off of people who gamble like you. I'm sure the lotto people love you too. I want a decent QB too, but with all the holes around him we need a lot of hard work to fix up the place we live in first. Instant fixes are fantasy fodder. We live in a real world, at least most of us do. Football is a team sport, he can't throw the ball, catch it and play defense all by himself, no matter how great a QB he turns out to be. And if he turns out to be a total bust, here comes another 17 years of futility ahead and the Bills team is just another a bum living out on the street.