simpleman

This is a nightmare option. If that was the case our 2017 OL could even be worse than it was in 2016 with Mills. Forget the Glenn feelings. The reason we want to move him to the right is the belief that Kujo can't play right because of a previous leg injury. He is not even recovered from his hip injury yet. Who knows how how will it affect his play when he comes back, and will it be compounded with the previous leg injury. It was a risky experiment before. Now the risks have been increased 10 fold. http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/tackle/

Comparing FA replacements to Woods. Kamar Aiken 6-7 Million Kenny Britt 5 mill wr What are the strengths of each choice? How are they at running precise routes? Are they good at playing in the slot and “over the middle” Are they complementary to Watkins? Would there be better FA replacements to Woods without costing as much as he will?

Now that Wagner is gone, what should we do at RT? The draft options beyond the first round are quite bleak this year for finding a this year starter. Even the idea of experimenting by putting Glenn on the right and Kujo on the left is in doubt since we don't know how Kujo's injury may effect him when he comes back. Henderson never was that good before his health issues, and he is on suspension. Mills just was simply poor. Is Reiff an option? He has said he wants to be a starting LEFT Tackle. Even though when he was drafted the scouts had him at RT because of his arm reach. I don't see anyone else as an option beside him. Should we instead just look for a quality older vet for a very short term one year fix like a Vollmer or Smith (if he isn't toast from his injuries) and hope next year's draft has better depth at RT? With a decent RT the Bills could have a top 5 OL in 2017 to protect our QB and let our run game run on all cylinders, since we have thrown in the towel on the passing game by taking the option on TT.

I hope not, I quick ticket to a 5 win season. And the next year looks almost as bad.

lol,no problem, that's why they call him "Juice"

Can't agree with much of this. Extending big contracts is just kicking the pain down the road, leading to yet more cap issues limiting the major rebuild the Bills need. Kicking cap down the road bites you, you can't keep doing it, it just snowballs and gets even worse. Keeping TT at feature QB dollars when he is nothing more than a bridge is cap suicide. And where is the hole at RT being filled in this plan? It is a major hole that needs to be filled. Like the resigning of Byrd to fill a short term need if you really could sign him cheap enough. Rather have Britt at WR for the dollars. CB is going to require some more dollars to get a decent FA. Good luck resigning Brown without way overpaying. There are much better choices out there to Woods and Gilmore for less dollars if you free up cap letting Wood and Graham go. Would love to see Graham take a pay cut and stay, but I don't see it being worth it to him to do so. And Williams is a ? due to his injury history. This whole plan just ensures mediocrity now and in the next few years. Admit that the Bills are not going to win the postseason this year and start building for the future now. And I don't mean a tear down, just starting this year by getting that decent FA RT, that decent FA WR and drafting a WR high. Getting a top 5 QB in the draft if one is there in the 2nd. Taking a shot at Kelly if he is there late.

Not saying Robey was great, but I find it hard to believe with our CB position as bad as it is that we can replace him with a FA that plays as well as he did for under 1.5 Million dollars. Seems like yet another wtf action by the Bills management.

Groy - 1.8 Gillisee – 2.7 2nd round

And what was the consensus last year about when Romo went down and Dak was going to start? We don't have a clue with a rookie till they actually play a regular season game or two.

As mothers used to say, "If all your friends jumped off a cliff, would you do it too?" Stupid is as stupid does. Would you ask the Texans for advice on how much we should pay for TT?

I found this when researching the Buffalo Bills FA drafting history. If you need a laugh as a Bills fan and can laugh at yourself, check out this website. http://www.jokes4us.com/sportsjokes/nfljokes/buffalobillsjokes.html

I'm not sure what you mean here. But if you mean we just go dumpster diving every year and get lucky like we did last year signing players to one year contracts, you are highly delusional. We absolutely got lucky last year. I could name dozens of FA players we brought in on the cheap and even not so cheap that never worked out for us (ever heard of a player called Percy Harvin or Derrick Dockery) . The odds of getting that lucky two years in the row on FA dumpster diving is very low. You still take a chance, but that is no realistic strategy to build a winning team.

We don't have to pay 30 million over the next 2 years for a QB. TT is strictly a bridge QB. You can trade for or pay a QB to be what they actually are, a bridge QB. Why pay a bridge QB huge starting money. If you are not going to make the SB anyway this year, what is the difference between a 6-8 without TT and an 8-8 with TT. Use the cap space to start the rebuild now instead of in two years. Have a team already around the new QB when we find him that can help him succeed. Get a decent ROT and the WRs to support him. Beef up at S, CB and LB to pick up the defense. Fill those holes now instead of kicking it down the road due to the cap hole we are now being crippled by. Trade for a McCown or a Siemian type Qb with a low cap hit, or sign a reasonable vet FA QB as a bridge. Forget the high priced QBs if you are not in a position to make a serious run at the SB this year. That might be fine but I would rather trade down in the 1st and get the QB and WR in the late 1st and 2nd rounds. Use our extra pick to fill our many other holes.

Our cap space is already limited if we don't resign Gilmore and any of our free agents. Even journeyman FA beyond backup quality FA, cost millions to play as starters. If we don't resign our free agents, we still have to use up our already meager cap space to replace them. We lucked out last year with Brown's and Lorax's one year deals. That is a rarity, not a regularity. We hit the gold mine with Incognito because of off field issues. Expecting those things to happen again is not that realistic. Letting TT go actually adds to our meager cap space. Not paying Woods, Gilmore and others does not add a penny to our existing cap space. About the only other contracts beyond Kyle that realistically frees up a substantial amount of cap space without a ton of dead money are Wood and Graham.

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Just because you can not comprehend the ramifications of building and maintaining a winning team due to cap limitations does not make it asinine. Just because someone can not deal with the intricacies of the game of chess does not make it an asinine game. Just a game that they don't have the patience or interest in bothering to try to learn, comprehend or play.

Okay I just have to say it. Pegula is cheap!

Boy we have some proud racists on this board. There is no place for that here or anywhere in the civilized word.

Everyone keeps talking about restructure. Restructuring usually does not usually mean taking less money. It just means kicking the money into guarantees. Which means mortgaging the future, for the now. That might be justifiable if this team had any kind of reasonable chance of winning the Superbowl this year. But it does not. It just extends the cap misery for another year and it just turns into an endless string of misery year after year, as you can't build a real winning team again that year because of past decisions. It is cumulative damage. It it short-sided and is the type of blind vision that will get us to 20 years of consecutive failure. Getting rid of Kyle to keep Tyler is a horrible decision. I would take Kyle and his positive effect on the team any day over TT. We are not going to make it to the Superbowl this year no matter who we have a QB. In order to get a Superbowl achieving QB, you would have no cap space left to fill in the multiple holes we have in the rest of the supporting positions required on the team surrounding that QB capable of achieving a Superbowl . Get rid of TT's crippling contact, and get a reasonably priced bridge QB. Start building the team THIS YEAR for a run next year, or the year after. Before the 20th year of futility arrives. Finally some cap sense on the board. Agree the Hoodie is one of the greatest winning coaches, not that I will ever like him,lol. But I think you are wildly underestimating the impact of having that certain player named Tom has had on that winning record.

??????? Says every guy when there are just too many hot women to choose from who want to go home with them at closing time at the bar ,lol.

Thanks for all the work Astro. I think trading back is only worth it if it nets you a later 1st and an extra 2nd. That means the first option would be TB or higher. Missing the 4th really hurts here. If we had that 4th we could package that with our 10th in the 1st, and trade down 5 or 6 spots and still get that 2nd. About the only way we could swing a trade to less than TB was if we could swap 3rds and give up a 5th or 6th too.

Love to be able to trade down and get one but it is not going to happen. The trade would have to be to 19 at least to get the 2nd round to make it worth it. And there will be no 1st round grade WR left by that time. 13-15 would barely get you a 3rd. We need a starting WR, S and a developing QB in the 1st 2 rounds.

That is why if you are cutting him to free up cap space THIS year, he is a post June 1st cut. You shift 1.25 Million into 2018. By your math the cap space freed up this year would be 2.5 Million. That could go a ways toward a decent depth FA. We already have Groy if we sign a decent RFA tender.. Even if we lose Groy with the higher tender we get a nice comp pick, if we tender low or don't tender we lose that. If you tender Groy a 2nd round, you have him for 2.5 million and have another 2 million for your FA or bringing another in.

This all depends on the QB situation. If TT's option is not picked up, and we don't sign a high price replacement, there will be no need to make a decision on him till post June 1 st cut time. If we choose to get a lower priced bridge QB, we will have more than enough cap space to fill out our roster. We can get a quality replacement in FA for Gilmore and Woods for significantly less cap space. We can get a FA RT and resign the other FAs we want, if we don't have TT's overpriced contract for what is a essentially bridge QB position. We could draft a WR high, a QB in the 2nd, and a Safety high and the team will be headed in a positive direction. We can wait to see what to do about Wood, there would be no hurry. Taking the option on TT or signing a high price QB for essentially a bridge QB position would force us to gut our team. And cutting Wood and others like (KW) would be required to field a competitive team, considering our cap situation.

LOL! If we lower the bar any lower than it has been for years, you won't even be able to slip a dime underneath it.