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Agree fully. Still, after years of proven failure, in general, the population does something. Just a goddamn mess, and totally not necessary. I hope what follows is not the worst of this, but I expect it will be.

I got to watch this first hand. A tragedy. The only puzzling thing is why there hasn't been a revolution there. Other populaces have dumped their govs for far less egregious errors I am quite aware of the forces in play there, but still, it begs the question of why would they put up with this for so long.

Be mindful that Ecuador was a big supporter of the tragic "Bolivarian Revolution" authored by Chavez. They reap what they sew. Colombia, on the other hand, never was, and they and Brazil have borne the brunt of the exodus from that brilliant eco/political plan.

Cazenovia Creek. Oh those summer nights. And Pensacola. Great beaches. Great Cajun food without the New Orleans nonsense and the Naval Aviation Museum-fantastic.

And by the way, those pictures he provided that purport to show the underside of a 767? Notice the "seam" on the underside, Such a "seam" does not exist on any airliner. Notice the lack of such a "seam" on the UPS 767 cargo airplane, which he also provided. Ridiculous. Just nonsense.

More nonsense from you Dexter. "..Let it be truly stated that if a 767 flew in with its nose 8 feet off the ground, the official 911 Commission conclusion, that its engines would have been IN THE GROUND...." A 767 did not fly 8' off the ground. It was a 757 that hit the Pentagon, and it did not fly 8' off the ground. It dove from a much higher altitude and was crashed into the base of the building after losing pitch control, which is why it hit the grass before the building. More from Dex: "An actual collision between a 757 and the Pentagon would have resulted in the wings and much more BOUNCING OFF. Instead, the entire "plane" fit through that tiny hole, which is WAY too small for a 757, and that's what the "official" 911 people tell us happened...." Are you aware of how silly you look? A 757 wing is quite thin gauge aluminum. All airplane wings are. At about 500 miles per hour there isn't a sane individual who would conclude that the wings or anything else would "bounce off." The hole is the exact diameter of a 757 fuselage....'Cause you know? That's what happened. Just stupid. As an aside, there is no claim from anyone, and there a lot of people with access, that ever claimed the flight data recorder was corrupted. It revealed exactly what the 911 Commission reported. You are in over your head.

Whatever was in there would have been the main landing gear strut, four very heavy tires and a ton of hydraulic lines and anti skid stuff. The kid is an amateur.

Dexter. It is not worth quoting your post to respond to it. You are ignorant to the point of embarrassment. The flight data recorder accurately depicts American 77's crash into the Pentagon, as does tons of other evidence and human remains. Regarding the 767, and your "cargo" door/remote control nonsense, you are not only foolishly wrong, but your claim makes no sense. Cargo areas are loaded horizontally. Otherwise the cargo falls on your head. The doors open parallel to the ground for that reason. Your claim that the landing gear door is a cargo door on some never seen or designed 767 is preposterous. Still.....I'd like to see you operate it. What do you think would happen if you opened it? Here's a hint. Whatever was in there would fall on your head and crush you, and that doesn't address the impossibility of loading it vertically. And by the way.....What did they do with the landing gear that's located there? Stick to you Jew hatred. You are not smart enough for this.

I'm not going to quote your post because I can't get rid of that stupid picture, so I'll just copy it instead. That is ALL your side does.... since it cannot answer the basic questions of 911... 1. can a 757 go 500 mph with its nose 8 feet off the ground? 2 why does the 767 that hits the South Tower have a CARGO HATCH at the bottom center of the fuselage (hint - only CARGO 767 have that hatch, passenger 767 does not)? 3. why is there no evidence of a plane in the Shanksville ditch? 4. why are there NO PHOTOS of bin Laden in Saudi? 5. what caused MOLTEN STEEL to fall out of the South Tower (hint jet fuel burning 600F - liquid steel 2200F = Zionist Traitors are missing 1600F to explain it)? I can answer any question about 9/11. It would be more interesting if the questions were challenging, but that is beyond your capability. Still..... 1. Yes a 757 can do 500 mph when in a dive from altitude and at full thrust. 2. The 767 that hit the either tower is a standard 767. What you claim is a "cargo hatch" at the bottom is the landing gear door. When closed, it creates a bubble, which is what is seen. Not only is your premise incorrect and stupid, your claim that a "cargo 767 has that hatch" is idiotic. I have over 9000 hours in the 757/767, and there is no cargo version that has such a "hatch." 3. There is tons of evidence, a cockpit voice recorder and a flight data recorder at Shanksville. Tons of evidence of airplane and human remains. 4. bin Laden's mother has plenty of pictures of him in Saudi Arabia. 5. A lot of things were eventually burning from those buildings. Jet fuel was the initial incendiary, but hundreds of tons of other stuff was involved. I wonder if you are a high school student who has recently come across the most basic and stupid claims. The stuff you post is really the worst of the worst.

Putin seems to know as much about 9/11 as you do, and that aint much. Eventually, those who make claims have to provide evidence. Name calling isn't evidence.

Most all presidential movements are far more expensive and problematic for all concerned. Simply not worth it. Simply a ridiculous burden for any event that is not a necessity, like a summit.

Stock holders have plenty of say on how things are done. That's how publicly held companies are run. What she wants is the gov regulating how they are run, thus reducing stockholder's views.

When buying property that your family is going to live in, probably bad advice to choose an option that had a horrible smell that I could "get used to." And it is horrible.

And in the real estate market, the smell of burning money. It is horrible.

No. Nobody is ever allowed to "blab publicly about confidential stuff." Do it as an officer on active duty and its a court-martial. Badmouthing people is a freedom of speech issue for civilians. Could do it all I wanted after active duty.

I don't get the whole kerfuffle, especially regarding McRaven. When I was in, I had a top secret with some compartmentalization, but only on a very few things. To get information, you needed a). the clearance. b) access. c). need to know. I don't see how McRaven's current position should allow him to have either b or c, unless he gets read in on something related to special ops to solicit his opinion, which really shouldn't be necessary anyway.

The paper mill smell there is a real factor. Based on location and wind, it can be horrible. There is plenty of information regarding which areas to avoid because of it, and I would not go into a real estate search project without eliminating the areas impacted. I'm sure the costs reflect that, so one might be tempted to reach for a seemingly good deal. Avoid.

Avoiding the draft was a national obsession at the time, and if people weren't around, they shouldn't criticize. Many creative ways, especially from those with means. That was part of the absurdity of the times and war run from failed Washington "strategy." I have no problem with anybody who tried to avoid the draft.

I don't want to hijack the thread.

Ya. Two cruises on Kitty Hawk in the A7E. It was a TA4, as you suggest. We had A4's, a few TA4's and F-5's at the time with the Adversaries.

I'll tell two, both from my days in the Navy. We were going on our first cruise on Kitty Hawk. Supposed to be a six month Pacific deployment-turned out to be nine, but that's another story. One of the other bachelor junior officers in our squadron had a Porsche 911. He figured he'd store in during the cruise, so he removed the insurance two weeks prior to deployment. You guessed it-his girlfriend was driving it two days before we left and burned in to the ground. I was in the Pacific Fleet Adversary Squadron. We had 12 airplanes, but only two were two seaters. Occasionally, some guy from another single seat squadron would need to fly in a two-seater, maybe off for a while with some medical issue or something. Anyway, they'd put him in the back seat of one of our airplanes and go out to the warning area east of the Sierras and fly around on instruments for an hour and a half or so. Incredibly boring if you're in the front seat, so the junior guy always got it. No reason to ever be below 15,000'. Anyway, one Friday afternoon our new guy was assigned to do this and off he goes. Nobody is flying over the weekend, but Sunday night when the full maintenance Dept. comes in to prepare the airplanes for the upcoming week, one of their guys notices the top 4 inches of the vertical stabilizer, (what most guys would call the tale), is gone from that airplane. As bad luck would have it, about 40 homes in an area in our warning area had called in to their power company that they had lost power Friday afternoon. Power guys find a down cable and a four inch piece of aluminum a couple hundred feet away that nobody could identify. He had flown under it and cut it. Fight as hard as our CO could, the guy lost his wings over that.

If you don't have pictures they didn't.

Stratton, Tracy and Jacobs. Ah.... the days when guys didn't get hurt all the time.

Race Bannon is a two handed flyer. No seat belts, and notice Bandit on Hadji's lap.

Isn't that "Johnny Quest?"