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Not related to anybody in particular, but this is what happens when boat folks get out of their realm. You and your Johnson

Used to be the only way to access Google products while in China. They prohibited gmail and google search, along with other things. Now, it's even tougher.

That is frightening. Also on this date: "Challenger You are go at throttle up."

Sermon....any serious speech, discourse, or exhortation, especially on a moral issue. a long, tedious speech. Save your's for someone who might listen, and this isn't an "argument." This is you making a fool of yourself. You have absolutely no idea what happened. You suggest anti Semitism, some crazy ass nonsense about air marshals. Unrelated and idiotic air traffic control priorities, lying, tricking, all of which would get someone fired, law suites and I can't remember what else. In the meantime, you are grossly ignorant of how these things are best handled without embarrassing people more than necessary, and paying their bill because others could not stand to be next to them. At the end, you tell someone who might know something about this thing, because...you know....it happens all the time, to "speak when you're spoken to." You are quite the man.

"Faith" in my profession? That doesn't make any sense, but not much you have posted does. As for the rest of your post, I am not one to use profanity or react strongly to people who do really stupid things on the internet, but you can surmise my response about what a good suggestion might be.

An airline is never going to remove a family because some other passengers don't like Jews. A flight attendant would listen to the complaint, smell, determine it to be valid, smell, and behave in a manner they are trained. If there was no smell, the flight attendant would so state, and offer the complainant to accept their Jewishness and get off if they didn't like it.

Or maybe you just don't have any freakin' idea what really happened. Typically, what happens is something like this. A few people notice something "odd" the gate area. During boarding, a number of passengers complain to a flight attendant about an issue like this, and state that they will not sit next to the issue. The flight attendant has a problem. People have to be seated to taxi. The flight attendant checks out the situation, determines it to be valid, and gets the lead flight attendant involved, who also determines it to be valid. They tell the captain and the passenger gets removed, discretely. They don't stand around and holler at the stinky people that they are being removed because it is not possible to operate the flight and have everyone in their seats because people refuse to sit near them. The airline buys them a hotel room and two meals and gets them where they are going. That is how it works. You don't have some grand display in the cabin that embarrasses them. Late edit, 'cause I just read another goofy claim of yours. Airlines are not anti Semitic. Miami has plenty of Jewish people that fly all the time, and the suggestion is idiotic. Crazy nonsense. And if your claim is that the passengers were anti Semitic, its just as much lunacy. Further, it wasn't United that that event happened. It was one of their commuter operators.

And be careful who you are calling a liar or a trickster. This thread is the "Sum of all Fantasies." Yours. They don't need to "trick" people off an airplane. There is a protocol that is followed, and people are, (almost always happily), bought off. If that protocol isn't followed, the gate agent can get fired for the nonsense you propose, and other employees would have clearly noticed it. Absolutely if the nonsense you suggest that a crewmember showed up. And a minor point. Airlines don't "drag" people off airplanes. Law enforcement people have done so.

You are quite the keyboard fantasizer. I can guarantee you that your "trick" fantasy is foolish, as is any claim it was a "No Jew Jet." Do you imagine there might be a pilot's union website for that company that discusses events like these with people who were there? Hmmmmm.

You have no idea what you are commenting on. No idea of the other side, and , seemingly, no idea that it even exists.

Just stop. You are in over your head.

I started this day guessing you were sane, just uniformed. Now, that has changed. You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. An air marshall would never get involved in something like this. Your entire input in this is ignorant.

Ya. You'd show 'em. Show up worse the next day. That would work. Either way, this kind of thing happens, and it was handled in the best interest of everyone. You should be a consultant.

You have an undeserved view of your opinion. When a passenger disturbance occurs on the ground, it needs to be resolved before taking it into the air because it never gets better, and ends up taking the entire cabin crew or a divert to stop it. I guarantee you it was more than one individual who was complaining about this issue, and unwilling to sit next to them. I did this for 32 years, and you have absolutely no idea of what can happen. Been there. You should offer your services for conflict mitigation. I'm certain there would be takers. Good God, you have no idea.

I don't understand what some your post is about. You seemed to have included an ATC issue brought about by the gov shutdown into a smelly passenger situation. The two are not remotely related. A "voucher" is a restaurant credit. The airline paid for their hotel, and without transportation, bought them a meal or two without forcing them to find transportation. The rest of your post indicates you know very little about these situations, and how they are best handled. People who do this know what they are doing. You don't. You don't know what is possible if you decide to take a passenger issue into the air, which may not have even been possible, and potentially deal with a divert and a host of other problems, including 180 hotel rooms, 180 meal vouchers, flying a new crew somewhere and delaying everybody for half a day, and disrupting the airplanes planned routing, which is a very big deal. What you have done is take one third of an issue and draw conclusions as if you have seen three different viewpoints, or you have any idea what you're talking about. You don't. I don't mean to be disrespectful, but there is a whole lot about this kind of thing you have no idea about.

Getting baggage off the airplane isn't as easy as people think. It can take a long time and the ramp crew may not have even known about it, and there are a host of other issues that may be involved, like the inability of the crew to take a delay for time on duty purposes. Lots of other factors. It takes more than "one loud mouth." If there's "one loud mouth" only, he/she would be given the option to leave. I guarantee you a member of the cabin crew judged it as a problem as well. You are guessing what they might have smelled like in the morning. I'm certain they did something in the hotel that the airline paid for to adjust the issue.

It not simply pleasing the noses of everybody. There are lots of reasons for removing somebody, and when a number of other other passengers complain about body odor, obscene language from the mouth or on clothing, obvious illness or a host of other things, they can be removed. Never a good idea to take a passenger problem into the air. Never ends well. Clearly they didn't smell as bad the next morning, so off they went. Anti Semitism is a ridiculous charge, though religious customs that result in really strange situations also can and have caused problems.

I've been there a number of times. When I was in the Navy Reserves we used to land there to refuel between Hawaii and Japan/Philippines. It is literally just a runway island. Nothing to see or do, but check out the stuff left over from the war, and a memorial as I recall. If you ever mention Wake to someone who has been there, they'll likely smile and immediately talk about that fan I mentioned. A few times, when flying the 777 between Tokyo and Chicago/NY, due to very unusual winds, we would be on an extremely southern route and Wake would be our emergency divert airport for a couple hours until we got closer to the US. Very rare, but it did happen. I always wondered what we would do with 250 people if we ever actually landed there. Luckily, never had to.

That would be a tough movie. Some of the worst Japanese atrocities of the war were committed there against US POW's, including mass execution. There's still a lot of ordnance in the shallow waters there, clearly visible when swimming. Pretty weird place, mostly known for this extremely high powered fan at the military food facility that activates when you open the door. It blows down on you to keep the flies out.

Not important that you know, and would only lead to unnecessary stress. If the masks drop, there are warning horns that go off in the cockpit, along with messages. Actually, the warnings start well before the cabin reaches the altitude for the masks to auto deploy. Anyway, getting to a habitable altitude where you don't need the masks is easily done in the time O2 is available, and is practiced at every recurrent training process, as well as being one of about five events that require memorization of the procedures.

Wouldn't help. There's only 12 minutes of O2 in those things.

Used to give our 777 from Delhi to Chicago a "special" aerosol treatment after passengers got off.

I used to fly there all the time, all over the Caribbean, and vacation there as well, but take my view for what it's worth. I've provided this same recommendation to others, including my son. The bottom line is what facility you stay at, and what they provide. Beaches are beaches. If I had to choose, I'd choose Punta Cana in the Dominican Republic. I would avoid Jamaica or anything in the US Virgin Islands. Jamaica is the least "revisited" island destination. But again, if you found the perfect situation, who knows?

But the book was so much better.