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Call me a pessimist, but there is no saying whether the player Ralph and Co. draft at #3 will be "great". Have any of our other recent top picks been "great"? Good even? Mediocre? Heck, how many are still on the team? What about Mike Williams at No 4...lol Just saying...I'll believe it when I see it...

We will likely sign Whitner (who has been tendered, aka not a FA), Wilson, or a FA to replace them (Safeties anyway). That still leaves us with Byrd, Scott (better than Whitner anyway?) McGee, McKelvin, Youboty, and some decent prospects behind them. That is a whole heck of a lot stronger than the mess we have at LB or DL...

I pretty much agree, but the Bills literally have drafted poorly at EVERY position, including CB, RB, WR...Actually you could say WR (Lee Evans) was one of our only 1st round picks in the last 10 years to actually help the team...He just never had any help (QB or another WR/TE to draw coverage). Also, I don't think you can say those positions don't help you win games. Just to name a few, these guys are the best players on their team, and are game changers...Chris Johnson, Adrian Peterson, Andre Johnson, Calvin Johnson, Darelle Revis...Say what you want, these guys can single handedly win games. I am off topic though...like you said, with our front 7 needs, we do not want Peterson

Not when we have some secondary depth right now, that was our strong point the last few years. We have NO depth, or even starters for that matter, at LB or DL...

40 times are so overblown. Good 3-4 teams don't usually prioritize having great CB's anyway, because they get to the QB. A good pass rush makes it a lot easier on the CB's. We desperately need front 7 help, or a QB, more than anything. There is plenty of top notch front 7 talent available, we don't need another McKelvin right now... If Peterson is picked at #3, 1 Bills Drive might explode...

Ive seen the Tyson Jackson argument before. Last I checked the chiefs had a pretty good defense last year, and made the playoffs. True a 3-4 DE doesn't usually get a ton of glory and sacks, but that doesn't mean they are unimportant. The bottom line is the bills desperately need capable DE's and a NT to keep the opposing OL off of the LB's. Saying that the Bills shouldn't take a DE at 3 because KC took Tyson Jackson (who I'm sure the Bills would love right now anyway), Is like saying a team shouldn't ever draft a QB at 1 because of Jamarcus Russell...

Oddly enough these guys ran slow 40 times, to go with their relatively quick shuttle times...

Yeah, its one thing to "reach" for a respected and coveted player early on, it's another thing to reach for guys like JP Losman, McCargo (Many had him going in the 3rd), and Maybin...Or to draft anyone that Oakland ever drafted in the 1st... The media is just stating the obvious...well, obvious to everyone except the Bills front office...

Combine #'s are just that...#'s. And they are always overblown. For WR's and CB's the 40 time has some bearing, but only some. Running a good 40 requires not only speed, but good technique as well. A player could be lighting fast on the field, but run a mediocre 40 due to poor "track" technique. How many times a player can bench press 225 doesn't translate to how he will use his strength and leverage on the field. These #'s are interesting (Paea with 49 bench press reps?!? Typo? Is that humanly possible?), but don't drastically change what I think of a player. There is always so much hype about what a player does at the combine, but it should be about what they did on the field. Jordan was an absolute monster on the field. He has great size and long arms. Regardless of what his 40 or shuttle time is, how many presses he does, how high he can jump...this guy will be good at the next level. Actually, I think he is likely to be a better pro player than Fairly (At DE anyway, Fairly could be a Warren Sapp type of 4-3 penetrating tackle). I'd wouldn't be disappointed if we took Jordan.

Where are you getting that Losman was known more for his leadership and "intelligence"? I spent a lot of time reviewing articles about him when he was drafted. They were all dominated by talk about his "cannon arm and mobility", VERY similar to the talk about Locker. The only difference is, Losman looked better (scary) and Locker has a lot more hype. Fitz is more of a solidly built, intelligent, well balanced QB, not known for a particularly strong arm or any flash. I just don't see it. As a matter of fact, Losman could have been a decent QB if he was a little smarter and quick thinking. His problem was it took him way to long to figure out what to do with the ball, leading to sacks, fumbles, and a lot of obscenities at 1 Bills Drive...Much like Rob Johnson actually...

They wont win the SB. I predict Rex Ryan will pass in the off-season, after choking on the prime rib he was eating off of his wifes feet...

Both of these guys really scare me. Ponder is like another Rex Grossman to me, and as others have said, Locker looks like JP. This is just my opinion obviously, but Newton is the only QB that seems worth the risk in this draft. Other than that, lets look for D in the first round and hope for a right tackle or more D in the second round.

I know what you are getting at, the guy is an athlete and last year was considered a possible #1 pick. Getting him later in the draft sounds like a "deal". But there is a reason why he is dropping...he's all hype. It's great to have speed and athleticism, but without talent it's pretty useless at the QB position. Accuracy and decision making are the 2 most important things I wan't in a QB, those are not the things we should be hoping we can fix later. I always hear people talking about trying to "fix" QB's problems at the next level, I almost never hear about it succeeding...The Bills aren't the type of team that can gamble on a guy that looks bad before he even gets here. Trent Edwards was another QB that was supposed to be "great" and was just stuck on a bad team... And I thought JP was another Rob Johnson...I think we've had enough of them for now...

Well this was a good thread, but now its just simply arguing about arguing...on to the next...

Here, I'll bite. I've attached a few articles that support my OPINION that Quinn will make a great 3-4 LB. I won't link every mock draft I've looked at, but most have him going to a 3-4 team. http://www.nfldraftbible.com/Players/List/2012-Big-Board/Robert-Quinn.html http://redskinsdraft.wordpress.com/2010/09/10/robert-quinn/ My point is, this is all opinion until he actually plays in the NFL. We can find articles all day long that support different opinions, you have responded to almost every post in this thread disagreeing with them. I get it, you don't wan't Quinn at No 3. Some of us do...

No, if we draft Von Miller, or some no name loser, and he ends up being a super star I would be thrilled regardless of who it is. But since we don't know what is going to happen, we can only offer our opinions on who WE think will be the best player for the Bills. As far as the defenders go, IMO it's Quinn. I even think he's a safer pick then Fairly. I am not at all concerned about Quinn not playing last year, because he was so dominant in every way and its not like it was due to injury. It is quite possible that Quinn won't even be there for us to take. If other people think differently I'm open to their thoughts, since none of us will be the ones deciding anyway. I won't respond to the other stuff because it's clear you won't allow an opinion that differs from yours, creating and endless string of replies. It seems like you are trying to force people to agree with you, but that's not how opinion works...

That does make sense, Ben is clearly a scumbag...Where as Vick is just sick in the head, and lacking intelligence. This part doesn't make so much sense. How is maiming and torturing a dog any better or worse than killing other small animals for fun?

I'm not arguing with you...I don't want VM either. Quinn looks the real deal. I might even be ok with taking a risk on Newton.

That's fine, I am a hater. The guy is a sick dirt bag, you won't catch me rooting for him. And its not about the dog fighting for me, its about the sick torture and abuse he did to these animals repeatedly and just for fun. He played great last year I won't dispute that, but it didn't get them any farther than McNabb. Besides, regardless of the criminal stuff, I would say "no thanks" to another injury prone player that has almost no chance of playing a full year without getting hurt. "obviously, the guy has changed" Really? What is so obvious about that? You think he really "changed", or is playing along for the MILLIONS of dollars and his career?...

Haha, I think that is a common fear. I won't go as far as to say VM won't succeed in the NFL, it's just not not who the Bills need defensively right now. We need a 4 down, powerful, athletic, productive player that is going to make plays against the run and the pass.

It's pretty easy to twist numbers to try and make a point. Both Dumervil and Harrison are relatively short for their position (5-10-11 - 248 , 6-0 - 242) and are physical beasts that are not comparable to Miller (6-3 - 237). I am not saying Miller isn't good, but he just simply isn't that kind of player, he is mostly speed and quickness, not power. Also, Dumervil was listed at 257 before joining the NFL. I am focusing more on the type of player, the combination of power and speed, not just speed. Regardless of who played around him, Quinn dominated the line of scrimmage with speed and power, against run and pass. Miller has great speed, but often got shut down in plays where his speed rush didn't work, and especially against the run. "Quinn, to me, looks like a prototype 4-3 DE, but I think he'd be miscast as a 3-4 OLB." Based on what? NFL scouts seem to think he'd make a fine 3-4 LB. You know more than them? I guess I just don't understand how Quinn is a risk compared to the other possible picks. Actually to me he looks the safest out of all the possible #3 choices we are discussing. I'm sure Miller will be fine in the NFL, but the Bills don't need more small fast guys (the Dick Jauron guys). They need Big, strong, fast guys (Quinn)

That is a pretty tough argument to buy. Von Miller weighs 35-40 pounds less, and Quinn has similar or possibly more speed. True Miller played in a 3-4, but it is doubtful that at ~235 lbs he would be able to play OLB in the NFL, he would probably play ILB in a 3-4. Also, plenty of great top round talent has come out of the ACC..Julius Peppers, Mario Williams...When Quinn was playing he showed very rare domination, not just against the pass, but against the run too. Miller got pushed around when he wasn't speed rushing, especially against the run. I can't emphasize this enough, not only does Quinn have rare talent, but its combined with rare athleticism and size...Something the Bills desperately need... Many of the great 3-4 OLB's today were 4-3 DE's in college. Ware, Suggs, ect...

I agree that college rules are too strict, and Quinn shouldn't be judged as a "bad guy" because of the suspension....However the AJ green thing was just STUPID. AJ HAD to have known the selling property provided to him by the team for money during the season was against the rules (and if he didn't, he is even dumber than I thought). I have no doubt he did this knowing the rules. Again, having said that I'd still be happy with AJ on my team Who cares about character at this point, we need TALENT! Trent was a great high character guy...too bad he SUCKED.

I wish that were true, but have you followed the Bills over the last 10 years? If there is one thing the Bills do "well" it's F up their 1st round draft pick... I have been trained by Ralph Wilson's front office to believe the Bills will take the WORST possible player at #3...And I'll believe that until I'm proven wrong... Having said that, Quinn is a beast and I hope we take him

If Ben was convicted of, or even charged with rape I'll agree with you. The problem is there is no proof then Ben ever raped anyone, or ever tried. The accusation was sexual assault, which is different and was still unproven. Regardless, Ben is a scumbag and should be castrated, no question. My point is, being a scumbag doesn't necessarily make you a criminal. You'd be surprised, I bet a lot people here who drink or go the bars are borderline "Ben" when they are drunk. Vick is without question a criminal, with a sick, twisted thought process. He is also surrounded by other scumbags such as his brother. Can't we just hate them both? The scary thing is, there was talk about the Bill's possibly trading for BOTH of these guys last year... ----Great thread by the way. This sparked some serious debate, and is a change of pace from the endless "who should we draft?" posts...---