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I really can't see why they are the Eichel, McDavid if so Mayfield is the Matthews of this draft. Mayfield is not the passer that Rosen is but he's much better at Progressions, Pocket awareness, and especially better vs the rush as Rosen seems to struggle big time when getting heat thrown at him.

I agree with the premise not all these guys will be great but there has been special yrs like 2004 where 3 out of 3 turned out to be all franchise guys . Losman was a reach that yr shouldn't have gone in the 1st rd. The Bills need to be careful and not buy into the Allen hype he's the trap in this scenario. I wonder how much of the guys on your list where drafted high based on physical tools most if not all those guys bust.

We shouldn't be using statistics from 30yrs ago to base our draft strategy especially since the game has changed drastically since then . Maybe they should do it based on the last 7 yrs . If so i don't have the numbers in front of me but the success rate should go up past 50% . Teams are starting to use these young QBs more and more with elements of the college gm and its making it much easier to transition to the NFL.

I like Ragnow as a prospect also and would love this pk in the 3rd rd but why no love for Ryan Groy on this board he filled in admirably for Wood in 2016 and i believe he'll be a very good player for us this yr.

He can play everywhere WLB, SS, FS, SCB the next Cam Chancellor but faster. I would love this pk.

Wait until he gets his hands on a steak hoagie from Jims or La Novas BBQ wings . Oh man just thinking about those restaurants makes me salivate.

Donald is Horrible, Murph Horrible, Tasker is brutally bad . This show needs a whole new cast and while there at it fire Murphy from brosdcasting gms he's lame can't even pretend to be good. Sal and Alexander give them the show or throw in a old school guy like Daryll Talley.

Your a Bills fan right? I was talking about the Browns . The Browns are very interesting in this convo because they can parlay the 4th overall into a trade with Buffalo in which they can receive multiple pks in return 12, 22, 53 & a 2 next yr. Then they can possibly use some of those pks to trade for OBJ 12, 33 and a 2 next yr . They basically get OBJ and #22 for number 4.

The point is they were able to fill the holes via free agency and a few trades the same can be said for Philly also.

I agree with what your saying but this also explains why nearly a 3rd of these Gms/ HCs continue to get fired yr in yr out.

Just trade with us get Jackson at #22 and difference maker at #12 . Maybe u can ship that #12 plus a 2 & 3 for OBJ. Imagine that as a Browns fan?

Darnold is my top QB. Mayfield #2 I like your ideas too but i think Shaqeum could be a 5th rd pk 4th at best. I think he'll be a Hybrid Safety/Lber for us . Mcd will put him in the Shaq Thompson role. OT at #65 might not be a great move as far as value is concerned. OT very weak this yr in draft i would like to push that need into next offseason via free agency or draft. Maybe a C/G player like Ragnow will be a better fit at #65 but if 1 of the TEs are still there we should pk on of them. Goedart, Andrews or Geiski.

We give up 2 2s one this yr and next. The Bucs still get a very good player at #12 and add some draft pks . In this scenario none of the top 3 positional players were available. Browns - Darnold Giants - Chubb Jets- Rosen Browns Barkley Broncos Allen Colts Nelson

My way of saying i want to keep it real. Instead of hoping something unlikely that will happen.

Bills trade up with Tampa give up a 2nd #53 & a 2 next yr . 1st -#7 Baker Mayfield 1st- #22 Leighton Vander Esch 2nd - #55 James Washington 3rd - #65 Mike Gieski 3rd- #96 Daruis Leonard 4th - # 121 Dante Pettis 5th - #166 Shaqeum Griffen 6th rd - Best RB available either Royce Freeman, Bo Scarborough or Mark Whalton This would absolutely be a home run draft in my opinion. We get 2 building blocks in first rd with 2 high energy guys . Mayfield & LVE will be leaders on this team for yrs to come these guys both play with chip on there shoulders and fit the culture that McBeane are trying to instill. With the rest of the draft we fill some major holes with some good prospects . In my opinion all these guys will end up starting in the NFL. There was 2 spots that i wouldn't mind to interchange first at #22 Maybe Hurst instead of LVE and at #96 Josey Jowell instead of Daruis Leonard . If we went Hurst at #22 i would hope to get both Jowell & Darius at #96 & #121. Scenario #2 #7 Mayfield #22 Hurst #55 James Washington #65 Mike Gieski 96 Dareus Leonard 121 Josey Jewell 166 Shaqeum Griffen 6th Rd - Bo Scarborough

Man if this happens i would just be supremely happy. Mayfield & James in the first that's a A+++ start to the draft. 2nd rd i get #53 -James Washington and #55- Harrison Phillips. 3rd Rd #65- Mike Gisecki & #96-Daruis Leonard 4th Rd #121- Dante Pettis 5th rd # 166- Shaquiem Griffen 6th Rd - take best RB available either Royce Freeman, Bo Scarborough or Mark Walton. My bad i just realized we didn't take Derwin James we took Chark instead . Now i don't like it. Lol

So u wanna trade the house for a project ? He fits passes into tight windows sometimes while other times he throws them 10yds over the players head. This is how i see it u can have all the tools in your shed but that doesn't make u a mechanic. U can have all the ingredients u need to cook something but that doesn't make u a chef. In this case Allen has the physical tools but lacks bigtime in the mental areas of the gm . It can not be overstated how important the internal clock is in a QBs mind. He just doesn't have it and this will be his downfall. If the Bills are looking for tools to develop we can get a guy for free his name is Colin Kapernick. Matter of fact at least Kap has some great success on the NFL level. Kap has some of the same physical gifts that Allen has even his arm is comparable in pure strength. They both have the same deficiencies as a passers. Touch, Accuracy, Timing, Anticipation are both issues for these 2 players. Might as well sign Kap and develop him instead of paying the house for the same type of guy.

Exactly i said he's Cardele but without the accolades.

What matters most is he has the ability to find open wrs and hit them in stride. Some say its his wrs talents but i haven't seen anyone like this since Luck he used to find guys wide open. This is something that shouldn't be overlooked.

Everyone talks about how Josh Rosen is so intelligent i wonder what he scored?

I haven't watched all his gms but I'm not impressed with what I've seen. He doesn't deserve to be a 1st rd pk in my opinion. I pray everyday we don't trade up for this guy it would be monumental mistake.

Its definitely true i watched enough. Allen plays like he's in some school yard playing with his buddies. He's always leaving the pocket way to early and u can tell the play is not called for a roll-out. He has no anticipation whatsoever waiting for Wrs to come open before passing the ball way to often. And the accuracy well u don't have to spend more then 5mins watching film to see that he's not accurate . Allen is the white Cardele Jones but without the accolades.

Allen averaged a putrid 4.4 ypa vs power 5 teams. He has NO consistent Anticipation Accuracy Awareness Timing Most importantly these problems stem from the internal clock in his head that's borderline unteachable on any level. The mental part of the gm is the most important factor in playing QB at a high level. He just doesn't have it. He's a project QB at best and because of his arm strength should go starting in the 3rd rd. But obviously there's coaches and GMs that think they can fix em and they will reach high and take him early in the 1st. Whomever that team is there front office will not last long Allen will cost them there jobs.

Actually the only draft gurus that like Allen are the mainstream guys like Kiper, Mayock and Bucky but not much after that. Actually the only draft gurus that like Allen are the mainstream guys like Kiper, Mayock and Bucky but not much after that.

Mayfield is the best but his measurables are not prototype. Rosen & Mayfield are the most accurate pure passers of the bunch the difference is Mayfield handles pressure much better then Rosen . Mayfield doesn't lose accuracy while being rushed that's a really good sign of future success on the NFL level . Not only that but Mayfield is very accurate on both sides of the field on roll outs . If he was 6,3 he would no doubt be the #1 pk overall. Darnold has incredible vision and accuracy he also reads threw his progressions like he's slicing threw butter its very natural to him. He has great upside even more then Rosen or Mayfield that's why i believe he's going #1 overall. Rosen threws the prettiest pass and his mechanics are top notch he also has great anticipation and accuracy the thing bout him is the character questions whether he can lead a team and his inability to handle the rush he gets antsy and starts making poor decisions . He also has the concussions history and the nerve problem in his shoulder his longevity is in heavy question. I don't know why people are quick to crown Rosen as the best prospect at QB. He's definitely in the debate that's for sure. But he has issues just like the rest of these prospects i just think its a matter of preference in what a team is looking for as far as scheme fit and leadership ability. I no doubt believe the top 3 QBs in this draft are Darnold, Mayfield & Rosen and it still can go either way on draft day.