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    8th late-game defensive meltdown this season

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    2 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

    If you went WANT to get litigious about it, yes, the Jets BILLS made a stop in the fourth: on the very first play when it was already third down. Jeez. 


    And yes they held them to 3 points -- after converting a fourth down and not even really trying to get a first on the subsequent third down (they ran it up the middle on third and 12 and didn't attempt a pass on those three downs). They were content with bleeding clock.

    Come on, man. Settle down. Take a breath and read what you post before actually posting.

    The defense was not the issue in the "Allen lost to the Jets" game. Allen gave them the ball TWICE in the 4th, but it's on the defense to keep bailing him out. And if they don't, they are to blame. Think about it. ONE less turnover and we win. Is it asking too much for Josh to turn it over JUST 3 times?!?!? 

    I hope that Beane stops listening to McDermott when drafting

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    1 hour ago, whorlnut said:

    That’s fair, but is it any coincidence that they unit that has excelled is the one that McD has less control over?  I don’t think it is. McD is a defensive guy yet somehow always seems to ruin great performances by Allen and the offense.

    This defense has saved Allen's ass the past couple of seasons. You all got so used to it, you're surprised when it doesn't happen. You can't have the league leader in turnovers at QB for the last 3 years, win the division in those 3 years without help from the defense. The offense has as much blame as the defense, and we all know who the leader of our offense is. 

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    I hope that Beane stops listening to McDermott when drafting

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    On 12/5/2023 at 12:04 PM, dorquemada said:

    it was the wasting of multiple high picks on DL that simply haven't been difference makers.  I assume that's McDefensless pressuring Beane to achieve his magical DL rotation but I guess we don't know that for fact?  In any case, I'm not sure Beane can do anything to protect this team from it's coach

    Bunch of 12-year-old dorques here with this childish name-calling. Hope you didn't rack your brain too hard on this one, cuz it's pretty stupid and childish.

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    8th late-game defensive meltdown this season

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    On 11/30/2023 at 7:18 AM, dave mcbride said:

    I am talking about ends of games. The defense made precisely zero stops vs the Jets in the last quarter and allowed them to convert a fourth on their final possession to bleed clock, preventing the Bills from trying for a TD in regulation. Allen and ST were bad, but the defense made precisely zero plays in the final quarter too. 

    Wrong. The beginning of the 4th starts with us making the Jets punt it away with a sack on 3rd down. If I remember correctly, the Jets had all of 6 points with 5 minutes left...in regulation. And that was with Josh giving the ball to them all game along. With 9:44 left in the 4th Allen throws a pick leading to the incredible catch by Wilson for a TD. No problem. We have the incredible Josh Allen. We'll come back and win this one. Why? We have Allen. Well, the VERY NEXT PLAY, Josh fumbles to ball over to the Jets AT OUR 25 yd line. Yet, our defense holds them to 3 points. 3 points. I guess the defense has to cover for Josh on every mistake or it's on them. OK.

    Burned out?

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    1 hour ago, Coldfronts said:

     

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    When Chuck Norris does a pushup, he's pushing the Earth down.

    Chuck Norris doesn't read books. He stares them down until he gets the information he wants.

    Time waits for no man. Unless that man is Chuck Norris.

    The flu gets a Chuck Norris shot every year.

    When Chuck Norris does division, there are no remainders.

    Chuck Norris breathes air ... five times a day.

    When God said, “Let there be light!” Chuck Norris said, “Say Please.”

    The dinosaurs looked at Chuck Norris the wrong way once. You know what happened to them.

    Chuck Norris does not own a stove, oven or microwave, because revenge is a dish best served cold.

    The only time Chuck Norris was ever wrong was when he thought he had made a mistake.

     

     

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    8th late-game defensive meltdown this season

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    On 12/5/2023 at 4:54 PM, HappyDays said:

     

    No. It's because Josh is not replaceable. He's our QB for the next decade. If his poor play single handedly loses us just one game a year that is a really really good outcome.

     

    McDermott on the other hand is easily replaceable. And he was the biggest reason for several of our losses this year.

     

    Trying to blame Josh for this disappointing season isn't problem solving, it's just whining. He totally sucked in that Jets game, it happens. I don't just whine about McDermott for fun. I want him replaced.

     

    That first paragraph was just…wow!

    I don’t whine about Josh for fun. What kinda crap is this? I’m not blaming Josh only. I did point out most failures were team failures. Including Josh. There’s even a short on YouTube titled “Josh’s weekly interception’. I’m pointing out that he’s excused too much here. How you can say it’s a good outcome for the season that Josh “only lost one game” ? Perfect example of sweeping things under the rug or excuses for him. That loss is crucial to playoff standings. And Josh lost that crucial game all in his own. 

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    8th late-game defensive meltdown this season

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    On 11/29/2023 at 3:50 PM, Bruffalo said:

    "scoring rushing TDs at an unmatched rate" is what I said that you conveniently ignored.

     

    He's scored more touchdowns than anyone. You'd have a point if that wasn't the case. The pick was costly, then we marched down the field and took the lead again.  Know what was more costly? The defense failing to get two stops in a row to end the game.

     

     

     

    Yep, missed this. My bad. not ignored, just missed it. IMO, my point still stands. You can't lead the league in turnovers and not take some of the blame. A 7-5 record vs a 6-6 record makes a ton of difference right now. Josh losing the Jets game by himself has hurts our playoff chances. Yet folks here point to the NE loss or Denver. Why? It's a way to forget Josh lost a game all on his own. How did the "unmatched rushing td rate" help then? Proves my point. You can't lead the league in turnovers and just skate from responsibility. That Jets loss could cost us a playoff berth. And it didn't have to be. Four turnovers, when "only" three turnovers would have won us that game. You get the point.

    This is not about absolving the rest of the team. It's about deserved criticism for Josh and his propensity to give the ball to the opposing team. It's that simple. 

     

    I wrote: "this failure is a team effort, Josh included". Josh gets all the excuses. 8 games in a row with a pick. Can't keep doing that. 

     

     

     

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    8th late-game defensive meltdown this season

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    7 minutes ago, Bruffalo said:

    You can if you're throwing 40+ times a game, and scoring rushing TDs at an unmatched rate and are a top rusher for your team. 

     

    The average NFL game ends around 20-17.  The average number of points scored by both teams is 46.  If you're scoring 30 points you should win the game. This was a failure on the defense and the head coach primarily.  It's a false equivalence to say the offense has equal blame.  

    Unmatched rate?!?!? 15 td passes to 9 ints in the past 8 games. 😂

     

    The league leader in turnovers 3 years straight and that's not a problem?!? Since 2020 he's thrown more picks than Derek Carr, Baker Mayfield, Jared Goff. You name him and Josh has him beat. That pick in the Philly game was VERY costly. It was in the 4th qtr, at OUR 25 yd line. We HAD the lead at the time.  

    8th late-game defensive meltdown this season

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    1 hour ago, CincyBillsFan said:

    This is bat feces crazy talk.  The suggestion that the INT against the Eagles was a killer when Allen drove the Bills down for what should have been the winning TD in the last 2 minutes is beyond stupid.

     

    I guess by responding to you I'm feeding the trolls but damn there are a lot of trolls on 2BD recently.

     

    Maybe I should have had the statement "this failure is a team effort, Josh included". Josh gets all the excuses. 8 games in a row with a pick. Can't keep doing that. 

    As for bat feces crazy talk, are you suggesting that pick, at our 25 yd line didn't hurt our efforts in the game? It was killer. There is a reason Josh had to drive us down for the game winning TD. He had a hand in those 7 points Philly scored there. We lost by 3 points, that turnover was killer.

    I'm one of the most "half glass full" posters here. I'm merely pointing out how Josh gets no blame when he had a direct hand in the loss. A lot of people use the troll moniker when a Josh mistake is brought up. Hardly a troll. I love Josh as our QB, but when he makes a mistake and it's called out "troll" is brought up. Some here act like he craps golden eggs or something. It's ok to call him out like we do to others. It really is.

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    8th late-game defensive meltdown this season

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    On 11/27/2023 at 10:28 AM, mrags said:

    I can’t link because I didn’t save them and cannot provide screen shot because the files are too large. But here’s a copy and paste:

     

    Nick Veronica @NickVeronica

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    The Bills have managed to lose 6 games by 6 points or less in the first 12 weeks of the season.

    Congrats, no team in NFL history has done it more than that.

    20 others matched that total — most recent were the 2015 Ravens & 2012 Panthers, whose D coordinator you might recognize.

     

    And:

    Michael F. Florio @MichaelFFlorio

     

    Josh Allen threw for 339 yards and 2 TDs, while rushing for 81 and another 2 TDs. Scored 34 points. They lost.

    3 times this year Josh Allen has scored to give the Bills a lead with under 2 minutes left and they've gone onto lose. It all comes down to one person

    He also threw a pick that gave philly the ball at our 25 yd line that led to a TD, in the 4th qtr. That TD gave them the lead. He's been putting the defense in a bad spot way too often. It's not just his year. It's happening way too much. This failure is a team effort, Josh included. Since the win over Miami he's thrown an int. in 8 straight games. That Int. in the philly game was killer. He literally lost the first Jets game. By himself. Our "best player" cannot lead the league in turnovers and be absolved of any blame. 

     

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    Buffalo @ Philadelphia Game Thread - 1st half

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    Posted · Edited by Dopey

    5 minutes ago, Prospector said:

    You must love the high teens picks. Heaven forbid we don’t make the playoffs and get a good draft pick… so we can draft a real real difference maker

    I love winning games, winning divisions and having a chance at a SB. Wanting us to NOT win is beyond stupid. We’re down 4 points and you guys are crying like little babies. 

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